Not By Works

[BillG]

Again, you would never say, I am saved, but since love is not part of that saved process, I don't have to love and I will still be saved.
That is an oxymoron.

If you don't have love in your heart, you will not be saved, which makes love a part of the saved process.

You are taking gibberish and have completely disregarded my post.

WHERE DID I SAY WE DO NOT HAVE TO LOVE AND STILL BE SAVED.
I SAID WE WILL LOVE BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM AS A RESULT HIM LOVING US.
The judgement of the sheep and the goats.
We do it because we love and want to love like like Jesus.
Not to be saved.
If we do stuff in order to be saved then Jesus need not have died.
He could have just quoted the 2 greatest commandments and go back to heaven.

If love saved us then faith is irrelevant.

Many people would be saved if it were based on love.
There are many people with no faith in Jesus who walk in Agape love.
It means absolutely nothing concerning salvation.

As for you saying "Again, you would never say, I am saved"
What does that mean, what are you saying?

Only one oxymoron that I can see

 

[ljs]

Again, you would never say, I am saved, but since love is not part of that saved process, I don't have to love and I will still be saved.
That is an oxymoron.

If you don't have love in your heart, you will not be saved, which makes love a part of the saved process.

ben , when someone is saved , they receive a new heart ( a spiritual one ) thats why we can love
Its not us ( our old way of loving ) but a circumcision of the heart done by the Spirit , so we cant take any credit for it

 

[BillG]

Again, you would never say, I am saved, but since love is not part of that saved process, I don't have to love and I will still be saved.
That is an oxymoron.

If you don't have love in your heart, you will not be saved, which makes love a part of the saved process.

Is the love in your heart 100%.
Is it true Agape love?
If not would you still be accepted by Jesus?
If having placed faith in Jesus but did not grow to 100% Agape love are you still saved

 

[theanointedsinner]

If you do not do good works, you will not be saved. Always remember that good works is a sign that you are saved. Good works does not save you, but if the sign is not given, then God will know you were never saved in the first place and your position is make believe.

how dare you doubt my salvation

 

[mailmandan]

ben , when someone is saved , they receive a new heart ( a spiritual one ) thats why we can love
Its not us ( our old way of loving ) but a circumcision of the heart done by the Spirit , so we cant take any credit for it

Amen! Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

 

[VCO]

http://www.reverendfun.com/toon/20130222/

that animal who build an imitation ark with far too many holes, that's work salvationist
may we be those who trust the ark that Noah has build as a symbol of Jesus

http://www.reverendfun.com/toon/20130222/

that animal who build an imitation ark with far too many holes, that's work salvationist
may we be those who trust the ark that Noah has build as a symbol of Jesus

I agree, you are talking Gibberish.

 

[BillG]

I agree, you are talking Gibberish.

Who you taking to?
Your quotes in your post are from the annointedsinner

 

[benhur]

for work-salvationist, how about believe in karma, maybe we can go to federal prison for 20 years (mr officer, I did nothing wrong, but can you just make up random charges for me, it's for karma), then that will force karma to give us 20 years of "good luck" that came from what we worked to purchase, and should we ignore the free gift of grace from God?

may we be thankful that we are saved by grace and not by works

Work-salvaionist is not a good description of who I am or justpassinthrough. A better description would be biblical-salvationists, because we view all scriptures in the bible as pertaining to salvation, not just a few that tends toward OSAS agenda.

 

[Seohce]

Yep.and this is not pushing a works based lie....we hear the gospel, we believe the gospel and we place oursleves UNDER the gospel.......the word obey <--place under authority by the word.....it does not mean salvation is EARNED
Exactly.....he and the others like him devalue and dethrone Jesus while enthroning self.....their self adulation and vanilla twist gospel of works/law keeping saves no one and if anything makes one two fold the child of hell....same garbage the Pharisees peddled with the same result....nothing but Cainology.....!!

Isaiah 5 : 20-24
20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.
22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks,
23 who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent.
24 Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

Mark 7 : 6-13
6 He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you HYPOCRITES, as it is written: "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;THEIR TEACHINGS ARE BUT RULES TAUGHT BY MEN. THEY HAVE LET GO OF THE COMMANDS OF GOD and are holding on to the traditions of men."
9 And he said to them: "YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE CMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions
10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
11 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God),
12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother.
13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT."
Ephesians 5 : 14
14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: WAKE UP , o' sleeper,RISE FROM THE DEAD and Christ will shine on you."

Romans 13 : 11
11 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW than when we FIRST BELIEVED.

 

[theanointedsinner]

OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW than when we FIRST BELIEVED.

OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW than when we FIRST BELIEVED <-- we can touch it by faith right now, we can even rub it in ways you'd feel uncomfortable by it, that's how near it is.

 

[Seohce]

1 John 3 : 23-24
23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

 

[preston39]

Work-salvaionist is not a good description of who I am or justpassinthrough. A better description would be biblical-salvationists, because we view all scriptures in the bible as pertaining to salvation, not just a few that tends toward OSAS agenda.

b...,
Shoe me one that supports ...OSAS...I haven't seen one yet.

 

[Seohce]

Jude 1 : 20-25
20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.
21 Keep yourselves in God's love AS YOU WAIT FOR THE MERCY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TO BRING YOU TO ETERNAL LIFE.
22 Be merciful to those who doubt;
23 snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear--hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
24 To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--
25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

 

[theanointedsinner]

Be merciful to those who doubt (Jude 1:22)

may we apply this part as well, amen

 

[benhur]

b...,
Shoe me one that supports ...OSAS...I haven't seen one yet.

This twice you have questioned this verbiage. If you don't know where your opponent is coming from, you can't bring them to your vision.

Our opponents believe there are many OSAS scriptures. Whether there are or not is not the question. The reality is that they believe there are scriptures that prove OSAS and they will stake their eternal lives on that. However, their eternal lives are at risk because they do not see what we see.

We must bring all the scriptures in the bible to bare, not just a few "so called" OSAS scriptures, and bring to their minds the idea that the whole bible spells out clearly the path to eternal life.

IOW it is impossible to say that love is not part of the salvation process. You cannot say in one breath that I am saved, and in the next breath talk about how much you hate your neighbor, for any reason. If you do not have love in your heart, you will not be saved, therefore love is part of the saving process.

I hope this makes sense to you, I do appreciate your words. Thank you.

 

[benhur]

OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW than when we FIRST BELIEVED <-- we can touch it by faith right now, we can even rub it in ways you'd feel uncomfortable by it, that's how near it is.

You cannot have EL until after you are judged. Now if you are caught up in the rapture, then you can be assured you have EL, but again the rapture has not yet happened. So be good and follow Jesus's way of living, and be obedient, and if the rapture comes in your lifetime I hope to see you in the skies coming down with Jesus. And God bless us in your endeavors to be there.

 

[benhur]

Amen! Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

I hope you are living so that all can see that your love is a sign that you are saved. I have no doubt that you do, so keep it up, and I look forward to seeing you in the skies as we accompany Jesus to the earth to start the millennium. It will be one of those great days in our lives.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

b...,
Shoe me one that supports ...OSAS...I haven't seen one yet.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
eternal
αἰώνιος (aiōnios)
Strong: G166

GK: G173

indeterminate as to duration, eternal, everlasting


life
ζωή (zōē)
Strong: G2222

GK: G2437

life, living existence, Lk. 16:25; Acts 17:25; in NT spiritual life of deliverance from the proper penalty of sin, which is expressed by θάνατος, Jn. 6:51; Rom. 5:18; 6:4; the final life of the redeemed, Mt. 25:46; life, source of spiritual life, Jn. 5:39; 11:25; Col. 3:4

 

[benhur]

how dare you doubt my salvation

Are you giving the signs of having love in your heart? This response seems to be the opposite of love.

 

[theanointedsinner]

God is not the author of confusion

You have indicated the most important aspect of Christianity that can convict like no tomorrow (love, trust and obedience)

will God create a bridge to help us go from where we are to where he want us to be?