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I do not believe it can be argued that we will continue to sin even if we abide.
The verse is this: if we abide (continue to trust) we do not sin.
We have to be careful not to change that to: if we abide we still sin. Because that is a direct contradiction of what God has said.
Here is where an argument can be made: if we stop abiding(stop trusting in Him) we will sin.
So the argument can be made, and be true, that no one ever abides in Him continuously.
The verse is this: if we abide (continue to trust) we do not sin.
We have to be careful not to change that to: if we abide we still sin. Because that is a direct contradiction of what God has said.
Here is where an argument can be made: if we stop abiding(stop trusting in Him) we will sin.
So the argument can be made, and be true, that no one ever abides in Him continuously.
But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Matthew 24:13
- The Life of Jesus within us, desires to express His righteousness and holiness, and lead us in the way of love.
- The sin within our flesh desires to express itself through unrighteousness.
Only Christians who have obeyed the Gospel, have this choice, in which they have a new nature that is compatible with righteousness and holiness, able to contain the Holy Spirit and be led by the Spirit, having dominion over sin that dwells in our physical body.
Everyone else is a slave to sin.
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. Romans 6:16-19
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey:
- whether of sin leading to death,
- or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Paul wrote these words to Christians, who have the ability to walk in obedience and present their members as slaves to righteousness.
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Thats the verse I thought you spoke of.
In context that verse is talking about those alive on earth during tribulation, whoever of them endures until the return of Christ (the end) shall be saved.
That is not talking abouot spiritual eternal salvation, but having ones life spared and witnessing the return of Christ, and the setting up of his kingdom, and seeing the world change.
1. David commited adultry years AFTER he was saved. He was called by God as a child. when God said david was a man after his own Heart.
2. Abraham was declared righteous when he believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness, His sin of adultry occured many years later
3. In Gods view sin is sin, As james said, if you break the least of the commands, your guilty of the whole law. Adultry is no more damning that a little white lie, or any less damning.
4. A christian can commit any sin they chose. All sin is of the flesh, The corinthian church was involved in all kinds of sexual sin, one so gross even the gentiles would not do it. Yet paul called them babes in christ (saved)
Be careful of phariseism. it is dangerous (thinking your sin does not stink)
In context that verse is talking about those alive on earth during tribulation, whoever of them endures until the return of Christ (the end) shall be saved.
That is not talking abouot spiritual eternal salvation, but having ones life spared and witnessing the return of Christ, and the setting up of his kingdom, and seeing the world change.
1. David commited adultry years AFTER he was saved. He was called by God as a child. when God said david was a man after his own Heart.
2. Abraham was declared righteous when he believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness, His sin of adultry occured many years later
3. In Gods view sin is sin, As james said, if you break the least of the commands, your guilty of the whole law. Adultry is no more damning that a little white lie, or any less damning.
4. A christian can commit any sin they chose. All sin is of the flesh, The corinthian church was involved in all kinds of sexual sin, one so gross even the gentiles would not do it. Yet paul called them babes in christ (saved)
Be careful of phariseism. it is dangerous (thinking your sin does not stink)
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Yes I know. so they will not be alive until the end, and be saved (physically) but they were already saved (eternally) soo they could never lose that. .
That is the point, endure, try to stay alive for those 3.5 years no matter how hellish it is, If you enduyre, you will be saved and witness the greatest event this world has ever seen.
Jesus was giving hope to those alive at that time, to endure, not give up. which would be so easy to do.
eternal salvation is not the context or in view in those words.
That is the point, endure, try to stay alive for those 3.5 years no matter how hellish it is, If you enduyre, you will be saved and witness the greatest event this world has ever seen.
Jesus was giving hope to those alive at that time, to endure, not give up. which would be so easy to do.
eternal salvation is not the context or in view in those words.
I was not, Was just making a point sis
It's crazy how twisted up we can get.
The way we overcome the world, our flesh and the devil is through faith. (Faith just means trusting Him).
We begin to leave this and think we overcome by working hard to overcome. That just leads to failure.
I think...it sounds too simple or sounds insane to us somehow that all He wants from us is to trust Him. We begin to think we must trust Him AND keep ourselves from sinning. When the only way TO keep ourselves from sinning is to trust Him (abide).
It sounds wrong to us.
There is a way that sounds right to men, but it leads to death.
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