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1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, “Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Yah and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! For Yah shall bring every work into right-ruling, including all that is hidden, whether good or whether evil.”

Mat 19:16-17, "And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life? And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – YHWH. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”
How is that working out for you...? Do you keep the law 24/7/365? If no your a law breaker and need Jesus!
 
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Admit what? That believing is me trying to earn my own salvation? Not without a scripture that says that I won't!

You don't have a scripture to prove your dogmatic assertion......end of story!
Sure we do.....many have posted and you still maintain that YOU MUST keep yourself saved....sorry your Jesus is weak and inept and cannot keep you as he promised.....you should trust the Jesus of the bible...he saves eternally amd to the uttermost!
 

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How is that working out for you...? Do you keep the law 24/7/365? If no your a law breaker and need Jesus!
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us, For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy

Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

Psalm 32:5, “I acknowledged my sin to You, And my crookedness I did not hide. I have said, “I confess my transgressions to יהוה,” And You forgave the crookedness of my sin. Selah.”

Ecclesiastes 7:20, “For there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and does not sin.”

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Psalm 19:7-11, “The Torah of יהוה is perfect, bringing back the being; The witness of יהוה is trustworthy, making wise the simple; The orders of יהוה are straight, rejoicing the heart; The command of יהוה is clear, enlightening the eyes; The fear of יהוה is clean, standing forever; The right-rulings of יהוה are true, They are righteous altogether, More desirable than gold, Than much fine gold; And sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Also, Your servant is warned by them, In guarding them there is great reward.”

Psalm 119:103-105, “How sweet to my taste has Your word been, More than honey to my mouth! From Your orders I get understanding; Therefore I have hated every false way. Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.”

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."



 
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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us, For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy

Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."

Psalm 32:5, “I acknowledged my sin to You, And my crookedness I did not hide. I have said, “I confess my transgressions to יהוה,” And You forgave the crookedness of my sin. Selah.”

Ecclesiastes 7:20, “For there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and does not sin.”

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Psalm 19:7-11, “The Torah of יהוה is perfect, bringing back the being; The witness of יהוה is trustworthy, making wise the simple; The orders of יהוה are straight, rejoicing the heart; The command of יהוה is clear, enlightening the eyes; The fear of יהוה is clean, standing forever; The right-rulings of יהוה are true, They are righteous altogether, More desirable than gold, Than much fine gold; And sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Also, Your servant is warned by them, In guarding them there is great reward.”

Psalm 119:103-105, “How sweet to my taste has Your word been, More than honey to my mouth! From Your orders I get understanding; Therefore I have hated every false way. Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.”

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."



I see you avoided the answer law breaker.....
 
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How is that working out for you...? Do you keep the law 24/7/365? If no your a law breaker and need Jesus!
You mean that song"Lord it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way" is not true?
Gasp I'm stunned!
hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha!
 

Hizikyah

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I see you avoided the answer law breaker.....
No, go read the post again, its at the top. you accuser.

Your enmity for Yah's Law shows what is in your heart, and I have seen numeours times you be disrespectful, impatient, and even hateful towards others here. and you continually go at me with a chip...

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us, For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy
 

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Psalm 119:41-42, “And let Your loving-commitments come to me, O יהוה; Your salvation, according to Your word, So that I answer my reprover, For I have trusted in Your word.”
 

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To my shame I also am a victim of the Catholic/Protestant Spirit-less, ignorance of scripture.
Justification is a one-time event. I say that to you because I saw a post of yours a day or two ago that gave the distinct impression you considered it an ongoing work, while the ongoing work is sanctification through co-operation with the Holy Spirit of God at work in our lives, which follows justification. Too many have been tainted and spiritually abused by the institution of the RCC. Some even leave while clinging to RCC heresies, and proclaiming their theology superior to protestant theology. It is interesting and puzzling that they can say they have rejected something they claim to be superior, when it falls so far short of being Biblically sound.
 
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I think a time out and cease fire is needed on both sides.
 

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No, go read the post again, its at the top. you accuser.

Your enmity for Yah's Law shows what is in your heart, and I have seen numeours times you be disrespectful, impatient, and even hateful towards others here. and you continually go at me with a chip...
He is accuser ? To accuse it to put forward a accusation = That you have broken the law.

Now is he right have you ever sinned ?

If not he would wrongly accuse you i am more than ready to tell him he has accused you wrongly.

In another hand if you have ever sinned you are a law breaker.
 

Hizikyah

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DC is this true:

Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”
You are not getting what I am saying. Some obey Yah Commands/Law/Instructions/Torah because it is the right way to live, and they want to live for Yah. You seem to ignore this and go straight to justificaion by works. I assume this is why you seem to ignore or not believe many Scriptures like the following;

If not can you tell me your understanding of these 3 passages;

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
You are still not giving your view or commentary on these verses.

But turn to accusation...

Psalms 35:11, “Ruthless witnesses rise up; They ask me that which I knew not.”
Hmm? Why I have to answer you but you do not offer me the same?
 
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No, go read the post again, its at the top. you accuser.

Your enmity for Yah's Law shows what is in your heart, and I have seen numeours times you be disrespectful, impatient, and even hateful towards others here. and you continually go at me with a chip...
Not you personally just your false ideology....and for the record...I love the word and the truth found therein....so..how does breaking the law help your law keeping endavor?
 

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Hmm? Why I have to answer you but you do not offer me the same?
I have answered a 100 times over the almost 4 years I have been on here.....unless you keep the law 24/7/365 you are a law breaker and do not keep the law which condemns you......now....if you trust Jesus 100% without the deeds of the law that you claim to keep.....you are justified and not condemned ;)
 

Magenta

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I asked you to give your view/commentary of those 3 passages. You did not do that.
Dcon did give his commentary and view, which is Scriptural.

How long must a response be to be considered commentary?
 

Hizikyah

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Dcon did give his commentary and view, which is Scriptural.

How long must a response be to be considered commentary?
If so I must have missed the post, could you link it or tell me what post it is so I may read it?