...we are not holy in the sense that we are sinless...
Only
legally are we sinless before the Father.
When we first believed,
ALL of our sin guilt was washed away, so we did become sinless before God
that way. And we continue to be sinless THAT WAY because as long as we continue to believe and trust in Christ's sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin we will continue to have no sin guilt on our record in heaven even though we sin. It gets forgiven by Christ because he always is alive and interceding on our behalf in heaven (Hebrews 7:25), and because I continue to believe in His continuing ministry performed on my behalf.
...you can't have it both ways,both do not join,as God's people we are set apart so yeah we are his holy people,but we are not holy in that we are sinless or innocent,to try to imply both are true concerning an individual is merely twisting scripture to one's liking,decide which definition is you,you can't choose both and do justice by God's word.
I have no record of sin against my account,
because I continue to believe in Christ for the forgiveness of my sin (and because I'm not committing willful sin), so I am most certainly 'sinless' in that regard. But in regard to daily living? No, not sinless, lol. But that doesn't mean I or somebody else will never tread the 4th type of soil in the parable of the sower.
In fact, the 4th type of soil is precisely where Christ is taking me. That doesn't mean sinless perfection, lol, but it surely means not being in bondage to sin so that you can't tell the difference between me and an unsaved person. We should be careful to not condemn those believers who Christ would consider 4th type of soil people, just as we should not condemn immature 3rd type of soil believers. But, as we can plainly see in this thread, all the grace of long suffering and understanding is reserved by the church for the immature
and none is granted to the 4th type of soil believer because they consider them liars and legalists and blind and fake and deceived and so on.....
It's obvious to me that most in the church simply do not believe a person can ever become what Christ said constitutes a 4th type of soil believer. As we see, if a believer dare say they are there, or are approaching that kind of soil in any way shape or form,
they are inviting a severe beat down from the church. I don't beat them down because I believe every believer has the potential to eventually become a 4th type of soil believer. I rejoice with anyone who gets there. I don't consider them liars because I think no one can be trained by Christ to be a 4th type of soil. I DO believe we can get there. Why would I believe that a believer, even myself, can never have 4th type of soil????
...xox...Please correct me if I am wrong, I am learning as we all are...
