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And Noah built an Arch with no sails, no rudder and no oars and a free boarding pass. Who saved everyone from perishing in the great flood, Noah's good work or God. Your wonderful works cannot save you or keep you saved, but God Can. God's promises will never fail.
"God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers23:19
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the fruit of the Holy Spirit is agape love, one may help the needy, but not always out of agape love.
agape love mean help the needy with no expectation of repayment. But help the needy not always mean agape love.
In campaign season in my country, some politician help the orphan house, not out of agape love but to get more vote.
agape love mean help the needy with no expectation of repayment. But help the needy not always mean agape love.
In campaign season in my country, some politician help the orphan house, not out of agape love but to get more vote.
Now we who hold to the eternal security of the believer have a passive faith? The faith we have is an active faith, a faith that endures, that passes the test of time.
The active faith produces a living hope within us, and this living hope is an anchor to the soul.[Hebrews 6:19] And as the song says "The Anchor Holds", as this Anchor is the Christ.
So, if you want to trust in yourself and your own ability to remain saved, go ahead, no one is stopping you. But ye blokes have been duly warned of what lays ahead of those who trust in their own abilities and not the finished works of the Christ.
We'll rest in the Christ and His finished works because the Anchor holds.
The active faith produces a living hope within us, and this living hope is an anchor to the soul.[Hebrews 6:19] And as the song says "The Anchor Holds", as this Anchor is the Christ.
So, if you want to trust in yourself and your own ability to remain saved, go ahead, no one is stopping you. But ye blokes have been duly warned of what lays ahead of those who trust in their own abilities and not the finished works of the Christ.
We'll rest in the Christ and His finished works because the Anchor holds.
Now we who hold to the eternal security of the believer have a passive faith? The faith we have is an active faith, a faith that endures, that passes the test of time.
The active faith produces a living hope within us, and this living hope is an anchor to the soul.[Hebrews 6:19] And as the song says "The Anchor Holds", as this Anchor is the Christ.
So, if you want to trust in yourself and your own ability to remain saved, go ahead, no one is stopping you. But ye blokes have been duly warned of what lays ahead of those who trust in their own abilities and not the finished works of the Christ.
We'll rest in the Christ and His finished works because the Anchor holds.
The active faith produces a living hope within us, and this living hope is an anchor to the soul.[Hebrews 6:19] And as the song says "The Anchor Holds", as this Anchor is the Christ.
So, if you want to trust in yourself and your own ability to remain saved, go ahead, no one is stopping you. But ye blokes have been duly warned of what lays ahead of those who trust in their own abilities and not the finished works of the Christ.
We'll rest in the Christ and His finished works because the Anchor holds.
Father, I don't need Your Christ's righteousness, as I have my own. I stand holy and without spot or blemish before You. Then comes that pesky little verse For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;.[Isaiah 64:6a] Oops!!
Also Father, I don't have to have Your Christ's righteousness imputed to me, as I also have my own self-righteousness. Then comes in that other pesky little verse “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."[Matthew 5:20] Whoopsy!! Now, where did I put that self-righteousness of mine at? Nope, its not there. Nope, that's not it. Nope, that's not it either. Drat and double drat!
Father, isn't my righteousness and innate faith good enough to please You?
Oh, and the cross of Your Christ was not enough to save me. I had to work day and night, with less than four hours of sleep per night to be saved.
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. [1 Corinthians 1:18] having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.[Colossians 2:14] and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.[1 Peter 2:24] and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.[Colossians 1:20]
The cross is all we need, the cross is all we have, and He who hung, bled and died on it.
Also Father, I don't have to have Your Christ's righteousness imputed to me, as I also have my own self-righteousness. Then comes in that other pesky little verse “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."[Matthew 5:20] Whoopsy!! Now, where did I put that self-righteousness of mine at? Nope, its not there. Nope, that's not it. Nope, that's not it either. Drat and double drat!
Father, isn't my righteousness and innate faith good enough to please You?
Oh, and the cross of Your Christ was not enough to save me. I had to work day and night, with less than four hours of sleep per night to be saved.
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. [1 Corinthians 1:18] having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.[Colossians 2:14] and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.[1 Peter 2:24] and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.[Colossians 1:20]
The cross is all we need, the cross is all we have, and He who hung, bled and died on it.
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How dare you lean on...security in Christ! 
Because you erroneously push that one can walk away and lose it....You by default push salvation based upon what YOU DO....how is it that you cannot see that you constantly push...."I" and what "I do" to remain saved....there is NO doing anything to REMAIN SAVED....it is a ONE OFF event with eternal consequence....your working for dogma is evident because YOU MUST REMAIN to KEEP YOURSELF saved.....and the fact y0u can LOSE or KEEP IT based upon what YOU DO OR DO NOT DO = a works based gospel!
The heresy and twisting of faith into something a person must do continually or lose salvation was when this error commenced. You are propagating this with your misunderstandings of texts of Scripture. You're also making pretense that faith in Christ is being denied by others above - it goes to show how easily you distort what others have said, as well as Scripture.
Just a personal attack here with no substantiation. You really ought to learn to not slander others with ridiculous nonsense. Your attack on those who hold to the Doctrines of Grace is unnecessary.
Thankfully, and Biblically, "Calvinism" has stood against the tide of false teachers as yourself who preach loss of salvation and maintenance of salvation by effort.
Paul, Christ, OT Prophets, the Apostles would be the hugest proponents of "Calvinism;" note Exodus 33; Romans 9; 2 Timothy 2:8-10.
It is apparent: 1) God elected prior to the foundation of the world those whom He would save; Ephesians 1 &c, 2) Since God decreed this to be so, that is, to elect and save these people, they will, each of them, experience every facet of salvation, and none will be lost; Romans 8:28ff.
Then you end it with calling me (and others) a demon by implication concerning my biblical beliefs. It's OK, it just shows how deceived and intemperate you are, ignorantly attacking truth.
Just a personal attack here with no substantiation. You really ought to learn to not slander others with ridiculous nonsense. Your attack on those who hold to the Doctrines of Grace is unnecessary.
Thankfully, and Biblically, "Calvinism" has stood against the tide of false teachers as yourself who preach loss of salvation and maintenance of salvation by effort.
Paul, Christ, OT Prophets, the Apostles would be the hugest proponents of "Calvinism;" note Exodus 33; Romans 9; 2 Timothy 2:8-10.
It is apparent: 1) God elected prior to the foundation of the world those whom He would save; Ephesians 1 &c, 2) Since God decreed this to be so, that is, to elect and save these people, they will, each of them, experience every facet of salvation, and none will be lost; Romans 8:28ff.
Then you end it with calling me (and others) a demon by implication concerning my biblical beliefs. It's OK, it just shows how deceived and intemperate you are, ignorantly attacking truth.
Amazing how many equate Abraham being justified and saved by faith to either his circumcision and or the offering of Isaac.....it is clear that Abraham believed GOD and it was put to his account for righteousness....what exactly did Abraham believe that justified him......? The promise of God to make of him a great nation when he was called out of UR.........LONG before his circumcision and the offering of Isaac......
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It is. Notice in vs. 4. Christ becomes of no effect in justification if you go back to reliance on the works of the law for justification. And you've probably noticed we Christians are quick to remind other believers who seem to rely on the law for justification of that fact.
Paul contended heartily for the hearts and minds of the early church that were being drawn back into justification by the law by the Judizers. But for some reason the church has now decided that it is impossible to stop believing and go backward. That was not the case with the Galatians. The Galatians were in fact very saved, and very much full of the Holy Spirit (read chapter 3), yet Paul warned them that to return to the law for justification would make Christ of no effect toward justification if they did that. And yet he then explains to them how faith in Christ upholds the law (and, by the way, is not a license to continue in sin, as many today think it is):
See, the problem with thinking you'll always believe and be saved is it deceives the person who, for example, is sitting there munching on their popcorn while they willingly watch 'Game of Thrones'. They get lured into a false sense of security by being told that they can not shrink into unbelief and be lost, not realizing that unbelief can creep up on a person in the form of one giving up the struggle with the flesh. Esau is an illustration of that. When it came time to inherit his Father's blessing...well, you know the rest of the story. But anyway, we are exhorted to not let the deceitfulness of sin harden our hearts because we are partakers of Christ IF we keep believing:
Paul contended heartily for the hearts and minds of the early church that were being drawn back into justification by the law by the Judizers. But for some reason the church has now decided that it is impossible to stop believing and go backward. That was not the case with the Galatians. The Galatians were in fact very saved, and very much full of the Holy Spirit (read chapter 3), yet Paul warned them that to return to the law for justification would make Christ of no effect toward justification if they did that. And yet he then explains to them how faith in Christ upholds the law (and, by the way, is not a license to continue in sin, as many today think it is):
6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” (Galatians 5:6,13-14 NASB)
See, the problem with thinking you'll always believe and be saved is it deceives the person who, for example, is sitting there munching on their popcorn while they willingly watch 'Game of Thrones'. They get lured into a false sense of security by being told that they can not shrink into unbelief and be lost, not realizing that unbelief can creep up on a person in the form of one giving up the struggle with the flesh. Esau is an illustration of that. When it came time to inherit his Father's blessing...well, you know the rest of the story. But anyway, we are exhorted to not let the deceitfulness of sin harden our hearts because we are partakers of Christ IF we keep believing:
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