Not By Works

[Meggido]

satan did not have satan to tempt him. Humans did. I think God recognizes this fact, and that is why He became a HUMAN, not a an angel, or nephilim, to die for OUR iniquity.

Everything you posted is fine with me, but help me out here, because I am not understanding the above part?

The Bible said that iniquity was found in Satan heart because he wanted to exalt himself over God....this was his sin, rebellion and pride this happen before he fell, so it happened in Heaven....so how does humans tempting him come into play?

 

[TruthTalk]

If you button up your biblical theology wrong; it will be wrong from top to bottom.

 

[stonesoffire]

Well that hardly seems fair...

We'll have to complain to Onhigh..lol

But remember what happened to those Israelites.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Yes and amen, and you are welcome, Rosemary I thought the opening lines especially appropriate for you after I read some of your earlier posts from today, having to go back several pages to do so, and that was a couple of hours ago, and more pages have accumulated since. My goodness this is a hopping thread LOL I love Matt Maher for the music he makes for the Lord. Here is another I hope you enjoy, also

[video=youtube;LuvfMDhTyMA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuvfMDhTyMA[/video]​

Lovely ...I do not understand what has happened today, something has changed and i can`t put my finger on it...When i have fell back to alcohol in the past, i wake up so full of remorse and shame that the condemnation from the devil has had me laid up in bed for at least 5 days, my energy is normally flat, and i spend my days in Psalms crying to God for the hurt of my disobedience towards Him...But today has been so different, He has given me energy to get through the day, i had my bath, made lunch, been on this thread which has been full of the Holy Spirit and pure Joy...I have napped, woke up and ready for dinner, i have not been listening to the evil one, instead i have been reading out Scripture of who i am in Christ, i have no guilt or shame on me as i type, i think it may be because i have trusted in the Lord today instead of looking at my sin...And i must say a big shout out to ALL those people today on the thread that let me bring my sin in here, people have helped me so much, your support has reached me with love...\o/ Praise God...Love you all...xox...

 

[Meggido]

Interesting choice of words..... yeah

No kidding, right?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Lovely ...I do not understand what has happened today, something has changed and i can`t put my finger on it...When i have fell back to alcohol in the past, i wake up so full of remorse and shame that the condemnation from the devil has had me laid up in bed for at least 5 days, my energy is normally flat, and i spend my days in Psalms crying to God for the hurt of my disobedience towards Him...But today has been so different, He has given me energy to get through the day, i had my bath, made lunch, been on this thread which has been full of the Holy Spirit and pure Joy...I have napped, woke up and ready for dinner, i have not been listening to the evil one, instead i have been reading out Scripture of who i am in Christ, i have no guilt or shame on me as i type, i think it may be because i have trusted in the Lord today instead of looking at my sin...And i must say a big shout out to ALL those people today on the thread that let me bring my sin in here, people have helped me so much, your support has reached me with love...\o/ Praise God...Love you all...xox...

Oh!!!
Why do you make me weep like this??!

 

[Grace777x70]

If you button up your biblical theology wrong; it will be wrong from top to bottom.

I agree with the premise of this - I think it might be more accurate to say - to build on the foundation that is not laid in Christ's work alone which is by grace through faith - our building will be off.

From the bottom - up.

I do like the shirt analogy though.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I resolve them exactly how I did in my above post. If one does not abide/continue and grow in trust, they are cut off, but He has never done anything but increase my trust, so why would I then distrust that He will keep doing so? If He had ever failed to keep increasing and growing my trust, I might have reason to fear He may stop, but He has never decreased my trust, never once, He has only ever grown it, so to see that He has faithfully done this makes me not fear the verse but instead trust Him more! It gives me MORE security, not LESS!

So your saying that if a person does not do the work of abiding and growing they will be cut off..lol..

Which is what I said to begin with, so again we are back at square one.. lol

How can God fail anyone to the point they will stop abiding, and lose salvation?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree! He can be trusted!

He promised he would continue the work until the day of christ,

If that is true, how can anyone be cut off?

I still do not think you see the problem we have which saying people can be cut off.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well that hardly seems fair...

if it is deserved who cares about fairness?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Oh!!!
Why do you make me weep like this??!

...Did you know SBG...All this digging you are doing, you are going to find a really nice diamond ...You know the rock that needs to be broken away is hard to crack, but the deeper you go the closer you get to the Jewel...Keep digging...xox...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

So your saying that if a person does not do the work of abiding and growing they will be cut off..lol..

Which is what I said to begin with, so again we are back at square one.. lol

How can God fail anyone to the point they will stop abiding, and lose salvation?

You have made me bald brother! I have no more hair to pull on!

Look at my post again and see if you can pinpoint where I have said I am doing the work of growing my trust.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lovely ...I do not understand what has happened today, something has changed and i can`t put my finger on it...When i have fell back to alcohol in the past, i wake up so full of remorse and shame that the condemnation from the devil has had me laid up in bed for at least 5 days, my energy is normally flat, and i spend my days in Psalms crying to God for the hurt of my disobedience towards Him...But today has been so different, He has given me energy to get through the day, i had my bath, made lunch, been on this thread which has been full of the Holy Spirit and pure Joy...I have napped, woke up and ready for dinner, i have not been listening to the evil one, instead i have been reading out Scripture of who i am in Christ, i have no guilt or shame on me as i type, i think it may be because i have trusted in the Lord today instead of looking at my sin...And i must say a big shout out to ALL those people today on the thread that let me bring my sin in here, people have helped me so much, your support has reached me with love...\o/ Praise God...Love you all...xox...

reminds me of the verse, reisist the devil and he will flee from you. Amen sis.

I must spread some reputation before I give it again..

 

[Magenta]

Your Grace Is Enough

[video=youtube;8wN-fspKg1Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wN-fspKg1Q[/video]

I am so happy to hear that you are not filled with self condemnation, Rosemary!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have made me bald brother! I have no more hair to pull on!

Look at my post again and see if you can pinpoint where I have said I am doing the work of growing my trust.

lol.. Look at what you are saying,

If a person does not abide and grow, he will be cut off. (lets take you out of the equation, and look at the verse in question, You say this is possible and if a person does this, they will go to hell)

If this is true, does this not put the onus on the person and not in God, who promised he will never fail?

I am talking about the verse only.. Not you..

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Hebrews Chapter 6


4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
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1 John 2:3

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
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Proverbs 21:2 - Every way of a man [is] right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

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Matthew 5:8 - Blessed [are] the pure in heart: for they shall see God.


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Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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1 Samuel 16:7 - But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart
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1 Timothy 1:5 - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned
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Ezekiel 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh
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is anyone else seeing what im seeing?

 

[Rosemaryx]

reminds me of the verse, reisist the devil and he will flee from you. Amen sis.

I must spread some reputation before I give it again..

That`s it EG...You have hit the nail on the head...It`s the first time i have resisted the devil, yes he fled...Oh my...Praise God...Now this will be part of my growing, knowing that the truth sets us free...I truly believe i have been set free today, i feel like scales have fell off my eyes lol...Thank you...xox...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Lovely ...I do not understand what has happened today, something has changed and i can`t put my finger on it...When i have fell back to alcohol in the past, i wake up so full of remorse and shame that the condemnation from the devil has had me laid up in bed for at least 5 days, my energy is normally flat, and i spend my days in Psalms crying to God for the hurt of my disobedience towards Him...But today has been so different, He has given me energy to get through the day, i had my bath, made lunch, been on this thread which has been full of the Holy Spirit and pure Joy...I have napped, woke up and ready for dinner, i have not been listening to the evil one, instead i have been reading out Scripture of who i am in Christ, i have no guilt or shame on me as i type, i think it may be because i have trusted in the Lord today instead of looking at my sin...And i must say a big shout out to ALL those people today on the thread that let me bring my sin in here, people have helped me so much, your support has reached me with love...\o/ Praise God...Love you all...xox...

That was warfare you were in. He gained you the victory and you have grown in trust of all He promised. He gave you the ground the enemy of your soul was trying to take back by getting you to fear again instead of trust Him more and more.

Whenever we begin to fear again instead of trust and believe that we are forgiven and loved, we are in the warfare. That IS what spiritual warfare is. It's a clamoring that seeks to get us to fear instead of believe and trust. Our trust in Him is how we overcome. So it stands to reason that our trust is what would be strongly come at.

 

[stonesoffire]

Hebrews Chapter 6


4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
_____________________
1 John 2:3

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
_________________________

Proverbs 21:2 - Every way of a man [is] right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

_________________


Matthew 5:8 - Blessed [are] the pure in heart: for they shall see God.


___________________

Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
______________

1 Samuel 16:7 - But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart
_________________

1 Timothy 1:5 - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned
________________
Ezekiel 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh
________________


is anyone else seeing what im seeing?

What are you seeing?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Your Grace Is Enough

[video=youtube;8wN-fspKg1Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wN-fspKg1Q[/video]

I am so happy to hear that you are not filled with self condemnation, Rosemary!

Love it...No condemnation for me today...And because i trusted on the Lord, He could work in me...His Grace is sufficient ...xox...