Not By Works

[PrynceNY]

your right, it is also true that a banning is not for one infraction, or it is rare, most banning are caused by a few infractions, each infraction gets you a certain number of points against you, People need to just trust the mods.

Yea i understand, but for me personally i trust no mod on here. ive witness brand newcomers get banned after a couple post so it is what it is i guess.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yea i understand, but for me personally i trust no mod on here. ive witness brand newcomers get banned after a couple post so it is what it is i guess.

I think we have all been frustrated, of this I will agree my friend, I feel ya.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes we give our students lots of opportunities to learn and understand why the rules are in place,

eventually, however, those opportunities can no longer be extended and they receive

what they were actually seeking all along, which is very sad because in the end there is failure on both sides, however, the rules

are a protection more than a prohibition and that is why they are enforced after they have been bent.

The rules are bent at times

 

[PennEd]

Did somebody say cookies?

How can you have a "Morticia" cookie, and no Ed cookie! I am highly offended!

 

[Stephen63]

How to live in Gift Righteousness….


They receive salvation by putting total faith in Christ for the forgiveness of their sins, but then they return to believing that the Lord still relates to them on the basis of their works, even after their salvation.


Colossians 2:6 says, “As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him.” That means if you were saved by putting faith in God’s grace alone, then you maintain that relationship in the same way. Some people sing “Just As I Am Without One Plea” when they are born again. They need to sing this song all the way through their Christian lives.


Failure to understand this truth is at the root of all guilt and condemnation. Satan’s only inroad into our lives is sin.

If we understand our right standing with God on the basis of what Jesus did for us, and not by our own actions, then Satan’s power to condemn is gone. Those who live with a feeling of unworthiness are not trusting in God’s righteousness but are looking to their own actions to obtain right standing with God. That will never work.

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[UnderGrace]

I did not know this, but I do frequently receive strange emails that I have to report. So somethings are done covertly sometimes.

Yea i understand, but for me personally i trust no mod on here. ive witness brand newcomers get banned after a couple post so it is what it is i guess.

 

[Stephen63]

The thing about it is it's normally the same people & nothing is done to them. I have a feeling they befriend the mods so whenever they feel a certain way people are kicked out but that's another story.

The word cahoots comes to mind.

 

[tourist]

Attention everyone!

Many of you got your wish today as FranC has been banned.

I will no doubt go with her to a new forum.

God bless you all

Allen

I just noticed this a few minutes ago and was sadden to see that she was banished. While caustic at times she was also very amusing too. I wish her well in her travels.

 

[Grace777x70]

Who can tell me the difference between positional sanctification, and conditional sanctification? I do believe both types are mentioned in scripture?

I can give you my view on this. It's a good subject.

This is what I believe the grace of our Lord Jesus and His finished work on the cross and resurrection have to say about "sanctification".

The word itself means = "to be set apart"

We are perfectly sanctified in Christ now....very true....we as an identity the new creation in Christ will never be more holy then we are now.

However there is a "sanctifying" of our behavior that is on-going that reflects our true nature in Christ...so in essence...we are becoming outwardly who we really are in our inner man which is in Christ.

This involves the renewing of the mind to walk out what already is in the new creation that is one spirit with Christ now. The Holy Spirit transforms us as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. We participate in this with Him. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

God sets apart ( sanctifies ) our attitudes and actions outwardly but you are 100% set apart ( sanctified ) as a person..the real you in your inner man..the new creation in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

( who are sanctified this is present passive....passive is that something is being done to you ...the Spirit of the Lord in us sanctifying us daily by Jesus' sacrifice.

The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin because we are in Him - He is the Light - 1 John 1:7 )

Here is what Jesus told Paul on the road to Damascus....having been sanctified ( perfect passive ).

Perfect tense =The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. This is continuously happening in the present.

Passive means something is being done to you - you are not doing it.

Acts 26:17 (NASB)

[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' (perfect passive )

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is already in us in our new creation that is in Christ.

There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our spirit - the new man in Christ - the new creation) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15[/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

We are holy because He is holy! Christ makes us holy. We are transformed as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror by the Holy Spirit. We participate in this with Him. 2 Cor. 3:17-18 & Phil. 2:13

 

[Stephen63]

your right, it is also true that a banning is not for one infraction, or it is rare, most banning are caused by a few infractions, each infraction gets you a certain number of points against you,


People need to just trust the mods.

Oh..... there's a point system?

And you know this, how?

 

[gb9]

though many of us disagree ( everyday ) , I hate to see someone get banned, unless they are just a total troll, just cussing and saying offensive things. those need to go. but, someone who does have real faith, and really does love God, but , even though we may argue, get ticked off, we can still learn from each other.

after all, God is still God and can use anyone to accomplish his will................

 

[tourist]

though many of us disagree ( everyday ) , I hate to see someone get banned, unless they are just a total troll, just cussing and saying offensive things. those need to go. but, someone who does have real faith, and really does love God, but , even though we may argue, get ticked off, we can still learn from each other.

after all, God is still God and can use anyone to accomplish his will................

A banned member is like a death in the family.

 

[Stephen63]

A banned member is like a death in the family.

But they can be ressurrected & given a new name, right? (I just couldn't help it, LOL!)

 

[tourist]

But they can be ressurrected & given a new name, right? (I just couldn't help it, LOL!)

Yeah, like a zombie. Not quite the same. Sort of like the walking dead.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I can give you my view on this. It's a good subject.

This is what I believe the grace of our Lord Jesus and His finished work on the cross and resurrection have to say about "sanctification".

The word itself means = "to be set apart"

We are perfectly sanctified in Christ now....very true....we as an identity the new creation in Christ will never be more holy then we are now.

However there is a "sanctifying" of our behavior that is on-going that reflects our true nature in Christ...so in essence...we are becoming outwardly who we really are in our inner man which is in Christ.

This involves the renewing of the mind to walk out what already is in the new creation that is one spirit with Christ now. The Holy Spirit transforms us as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. We participate in this with Him. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

God sets apart ( sanctifies ) our attitudes and actions outwardly but you are 100% set apart ( sanctified ) as a person..the real you in your inner man..the new creation in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

( who are sanctified this is present passive....passive is that something is being done to you ...the Spirit of the Lord in us sanctifying us daily by Jesus' sacrifice.

The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin because we are in Him - He is the Light - 1 John 1:7 )

Here is what Jesus told Paul on the road to Damascus....having been sanctified ( perfect passive ).

Perfect tense =The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. This is continuously happening in the present.

Passive means something is being done to you - you are not doing it.

Acts 26:17 (NASB)

[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' (perfect passive )

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is already in us in our new creation that is in Christ.

There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our spirit - the new man in Christ - the new creation) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15[/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

We are holy because He is holy! Christ makes us holy. We are transformed as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror by the Holy Spirit. We participate in this with Him. 2 Cor. 3:17-18 & Phil. 2:13

thank you, I think the s is what separates us in CC, which is why I would like to discuss in in hopes we can see where others are coming from.

 

[Rosemaryx]

A banned member is like a death in the family.

Hi tourist...I can relate to that...I feel a sadness, like a loss, i don`t believe she should be swept under the carpet like she never existed,she is still our sister in Christ, and although many on here will be glad to see her name disappear, at least we should allow time for people to express their feelings about her...She has many people who enjoyed her times on the thread, regardless of weather we agreed on opinions or not, she put a lot into this thread , not all correct like all of us but many a true word, people should be allowed to post their feelings about her absence as i am sure many will miss her...Her name will die down soon enough but un till then, we should all carry on in our journey, praising the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ our Savior...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

If you mean none of our works will earn us salvation you are correct.



If you mean none of our works will continue to earn us salvation you are correct again.



Wrong!

Christ will use our works to determine if you go to the left as a goat, or to the right as a sheep:

"34“Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ " (Matthew 25:34-36 NASB)

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Are you able to understand how that's true, yet that not be a damnable works gospel?




That is one reason we do good works. But for the purpose of this thread, the reason we do good works is because we love God. That's why our works are able to used by Christ as the evidence of our faith and love for God and which will then be used to determine if we go to the left or to the right at the Judgment.

If a person can't prove his faith by being characterized as someone who loves God and loves people (the two greatest commands) then they will be found to be unbelievers (or ex-believers) and they will be sent to the left to be condemned in the fiery hell. Christ warned us, people. Get the faith that saves, and prove you have that salvation by working it out. That is how you will have surety and security in Christ. Mere words of confession do not give assurance of salvation. Work does.

I think you have spoken well. No one is able to see what you are saying though. I see how you are seeing and saying it. And I appreciate that you say it in love rather than malice and pride. You are hindered by the fact that you use a word that is a trigger for many. But you speak with love and care for us and that love is what matters.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

How can you have a "Morticia" cookie, and no Ed cookie! I am highly offended!

Yes, I looked for a Jennie cookie but to no avail...

 

[stonesoffire]

This is His Glory:

John 6

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

All that Jesus did and said, was to complete the prophecies of the OT concerning the chosen nation. He fulfilled that mission. Finished the covenant of Abraham, then in sending Holy Spirit, ushers in a new and Living way. That of the Sons of God. Holy Spirit is His glory, and is the same shekina glory that filled the Holy Place.

That is what we have now within. He has made us a Holy living Body on earth. Calls us temples of the Holy Spirit through revelation given to Paul. We don't touch His glory with our flesh nature. We don't call the anointing evil. That glory makes us one with Him. And being filled, which is many fillings as we wait on Him to minister, then comes works.

Theses are the works of eternal reward. They minister reconciliation to the lost, heal the sick, raise the dead-literally and spiritually, and deliver from tormenting spirits.

But, even a cup of cold refreshing has its rewards, for whatever we do in His name will be rewarded.

There is the presence of God within. And His presence upon when we worship.

All those scriptures you posted point to this, what Hebrews calls that living. And is life in the Spirit.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

How can you have a "Morticia" cookie, and no Ed cookie! I am highly offended!

There was only one love cookie and I grabbed it. Would you like half? A love cookie is way better than an Ed cookie!
I could share it with all of you and we'll pick up all the baskets of leftovers!