Not By Works

[loveme1]

Fine then, Go on thinking what you believe. someone who does not desire to see the riches of Go word.

The greek word means bankrupt. One who does snot become spiritually bankrupt will not enter the kingdom of God.

anyone who thinks they are or can be worthy has not become spiritually bankrupt

The tax collector was bankrupt. as Jesus said, he went home justified.

All I have shown is I disagree with you and why. But hey, I guess you just showed yourself.

eg.. you have shown yourself so stop trying to carry on.. we can depart in disagreement of each other. So I ask you to not reply and I likewise...

I saw the riches in my darkest hour and my word it is magnificent... and I will share that magnificence and boast of Him and His Truth and not be accused of not loving and worshipping... my first love triumphs and my desire to please is Everlasting.

 

[Stephen63]

You are still a mortal... waiting for the immortal... you must recieve the new incorruptible seed...

You are free to believe but I will not assume but run the race Faithfully..

Some are not free..... not anymore.

God has sent delusion, so that many that are stone blind still think they can see.

They can't see that their wicked methods are of Satan, & that their tools are his.

Spiritually, they don't know their right hand from their left.

My free advice is speak only to the attention of the readers, because that's who they're here for.

This is one of the reasons I try to expose their ways, & not their doctrine..... even a sinner can understand a christian is supposed to have manners & not tell bold-faced lies.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are blatantly going against scripture.. don't tell me.. I need to look it up in Greek...

Show me how?

Faith without works is dead.

If you have no faith YOU WIlLL NOT WORK

so can a person who has no faith be saved?

Who is going against the word? I am not saying people who have no faith is saved,

And yes, you do need greek, we all do in many areas where the english is lacking.

 

[UnderGrace]

So much false teaching on the pure simple gospel.

It grieves my heart that people believe this way, for so many reasons I cannot even begin to list them except to say one....

John 8:32
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Yet it seems this is too hard to accept/believe so people persist in bondage


Thank you for the rep

Yes, she sees herself as earning what she calls a Royal Pardon. She see herself as pure. She is trying to earn her way in -- descriptive of the characters Christian met along the way...

Sad indeed to behold this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

eg.. you have shown yourself so stop trying to carry on.. we can depart in disagreement of each other. So I ask you to not reply and I likewise...

I saw the riches in my darkest hour and my word it is magnificent... and I will share that magnificence and boast of Him and His Truth and not be accused of not loving and worshipping... my first love triumphs and my desire to please is Everlasting.

Again all I have done is shown why I disagree with you,

You have shown yourself also.. so please. stop blaming everything n other people when you are just as guilty.

You state works are required to earn eternal life.

I will appose that, if that offends you, forgive me in advance.

 

[preacher4truth]

Well, all my brothers and sisters, have a good day. I leave those of you who depend solely on God's grace with this encouragement:

For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh -- Philippians 3:3

 

[FranC]

Fact: Rarely, if ever, do you glory in what Christ has wrought.

For YOU,,,

Never.
Since you don't even Know the God of the Bible.

 

[loveme1]

Show me how?

Faith without works is dead.

If you have no faith YOU WIlLL NOT WORK

so can a person who has no faith be saved?

Who is going against the word? I am not saying people who have no faith is saved,

And yes, you do need greek, we all do in many areas where the english is lacking.

I do not like to use ignore but I think you and I should refrain.. I don't need Greek that I'm sure.. GOD keeps me safe and leads me.. no boast because I'm undeserving ... but I must follow His lead. Even to humble myself against the idea i boast and love myself more than Heavenly Father and the Messiah... but all for His Glory.

 

[FranC]

Well, all my brothers and sisters, have a good day. I leave those of you who depend solely on God's grace with this encouragement:

For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh -- Philippians 3:3

You should leave.
You worship not in the spirit of the God of the Bible.

 

[Stephen63]

Here's a post that's an example of folks telling bold-faced lies & twisting what another member says.

Nope. Faith is required Why? Because without faith you will not be saved, withour salvation you will not work.

See how you are boasting of your works here. Yet you just yelled at three people for declaring you boasted about your works.

Here it is. EG accuses loveme1 of yelling.

Who sees that? She doesn't yell at anyone.

She's accused of boasting about her works.

I've known loveme1 for a while, & all I've seen her boast about is the Lord.

All lies.

Now, why would somebody need lies to tell the truth?

Won't God back His own truth?

God doesn need a liar's help to spread His message. Even the sinner reading this knows that.

a faithful servant WILL obey. When you add the word MUST, you are preaching legalism. It states you can EARN salvation. You can't. not in this lifetime, not in the next. ALL jave sinned and fall short.

Everybody knows not every christian will faithfully obey.

The world knows there's hypocrites in the church..... sheesh.

Is loveme1 spreading legalism, a system of do's & don'ts? Nope.

Yep. More lies.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Is it possible to recieve the indwelling Holy spirit, and recieve the gifts of the Holy spirit and see no evidence in your life? No.


Will your works earn salvation? No.

Is it possible to have been chosen by God and still choose sin even one time? Ask Noah.

Is it possible to get declaired righteous and make it into heaven with no good works? Ask the thief on the cross.

How do you know you know God? You obey him.


There are many who in their life time, have not recieved a tenth of the wisdom someone else may have, and by wisdom I mean understanding of who God is.

It seems to me, a faithful servant of God WALKING in the spirit and LIVING a life seeking Gods Will, will have many good works. (praise God for using us)


It seems to me not all in heaven have this luxery.... maybe an aborted baby.... maybe someone who is called to repentence on their death bed...


How about we glorify God as we should and stop focusing on OUR works.

If we are walking in the spirit, and put our faith in Jesus it will not be a dead faith....

 

[FranC]

Again all I have done is shown why I disagree with you,

You have shown yourself also.. so please. stop blaming everything n other people when you are just as guilty.

You state works are required to earn eternal life.

I will appose that, if that offends you, forgive me in advance.

It doesn't offend her...
It offends God Almighty.

Learn it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not like to use ignore but I think you and I should refrain.. I don't need Greek that I'm sure.. GOD keeps me safe and leads me.. no boast because I'm undeserving ... but I must follow His lead. Even to humble myself against the idea i boast and love myself more than Heavenly Father and the Messiah... but all for His Glory.

Your not seeing what I am saying.

Yet your judging me, why is that?

one more question, If you re not boasting, they why do you declare your works will earn you eternal llife?

Is that not boasting?

 

[UnderGrace]

I do agree some some reference back to the Greek can be very helpful. The English is indeed lacking in substance sometimes.

Show me how?

Faith without works is dead.

If you have no faith YOU WIlLL NOT WORK

so can a person who has no faith be saved?

Who is going against the word? I am not saying people who have no faith is saved,

And yes, you do need greek, we all do in many areas where the english is lacking.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is it possible to recieve the indwelling Holy spirit, and recieve the gifts of the Holy spirit and see no evidence in your life? No.


Will your works earn salvation? No.

Is it possible to have been chosen by God and still choose sin even one time? Ask Noah.

Is it possible to get declaired righteous and make it into heaven with no good works? Ask the thief on the cross.

How do you know you know God? You obey him.


There are many who in their life time, have not recieved a tenth of the wisdom someone else may have, and by wisdom I mean understanding of who God is.

It seems to me, a faithful servant of God WALKING in the spirit and LIVING a life seeking Gods Will, will have many good works. (praise God for using us)


It seems to me not all in heaven have this luxery.... maybe an aborted baby.... maybe someone who is called to repentence on their death bed...


How about we glorify God as we should and stop focusing on OUR works.

If we are walking in the spirit, and put our faith in Jesus it will not be a dead faith....

what is funny is if i say the same thing, which I would because I believe every word) I woulld be judged..loll

 

[loveme1]

You should leave.
You worship not in the spirit of the God of the Bible.

Hebrews 10


26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; 33Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. 34For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 35Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



How does that not refute the idea that they have obtained and judged themselves worthy before they reach the finish line?



know they not that one will be judged Faithful or unfaithful? Some told to depart..

believe to the saving of your soul..

what a thought....

 

[FranC]

Show me how?

Faith without works is dead.

If you have no faith YOU WIlLL NOT WORK

so can a person who has no faith be saved?

Who is going against the word? I am not saying people who have no faith is saved,

And yes, you do need greek, we all do in many areas where the english is lacking.

My dear EG
IF you agree,
Why do you dispute?

You are not an honest person.
God sees all.
Have you no fear?
No respect?
Is God YOUR servant?

 

[Stephen63]

That seems to be the modus opporendi of CC.. And why most can not get along. and many will never understand what others believe, they have them all in categories.

Amazingly, the two men who liked you post are the biggest offenders of this, but it happens on both sides.

In EG's very next post, he accuses Phart & myself of offending of...... what?

Something bad, as usual.

Two posts in a row accusing & lying.

If you think that's a lot, you ought to go back & read his old posts. They give quite a colorful history of who EG is.

Do I need to say who he is?

Naah, he will show you with his own words.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below - Ex 32:33. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the ultimate statement of truth. The work of Jesus's finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.

Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins.

Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.

This is insulting the Spirit of grace. The Holy Spirit's work is to convict/convince/expose the world of their sin - which is unbelief in Christ's work. John 16:8-9

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

what is funny is if i say the same thing, which I would because I believe every word) I woulld be judged..loll

im sorry :/

maybe i will too...