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i will add a verse you have not read yet.
o happy days, when jesus took my sins away.
clap your hand above your head.
and repeat after me.
oh, happy day ,when jesus grace washed over me.
oh happy ,days when jesus grace saved me.
when did jesus worry, about wash, before you die. when did they use soap, to make him clean. etc
o happy days, when jesus took my sins away.
clap your hand above your head.
and repeat after me.
oh, happy day ,when jesus grace washed over me.
oh happy ,days when jesus grace saved me.
when did jesus worry, about wash, before you die. when did they use soap, to make him clean. etc
I saw a small glimpse of the kingdom when I was born again, because I felt the Holy Spirit come into my life in a powerful way.
Believe in His sacrifice for you completely, there is no need to strive for salvation.
This is the Good News...Believe it, is absolutely and completely true because Jesus said so!!!
Exactly what I said we do not strive for salvation, Amen
Yet....
The branch does not strive it receives, it cannot control if the rain will fall, if it will be fertilized, nor how much sunshine it receives.
It can only stand there and be catered to. It cannot even really control its own fruitfulness. It can only grow and produce in its season.
Our job is to be persuaded, to remember who we are in Christ (not strive) and have faith in what He has done and what He has promised to do.
The soil we have sprung from is salvation through Christ crucified. He died for our sins while we were yet sinners
5 Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge, 6 and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness, 7 and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.
These qualities come from remembering who were are in Christ
Jesus tells us to strive to enter the narrow gate.
Your quote in 2 Peter is telling us what we need to add to our faith. We are to do this. We are to work with the Lord and the Spirit and actively grow in Christ. It's His power within us that enables us to add those things to our faith.
1 Timothy 4:6-11
In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following. But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness; for bodily discipline is only of little profit, but godliness is profitable for all things, since it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come. It is a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance. For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. Prescribe and teach these things.
Not only are we to work and strive, but this is to be taught to believers; it's also the Lord's prescription for Godly living to labor and strive.
odd problem about posts to an other person, the only problem they have ,
john 10 v1
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.
propaganda. needs to be heard, but who will listen. to a dead man walking.
after his opinion was proven wrong.he thought love protect your mistakes. now grow an other generation, to get out, of your desert.
john 10 v1
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.
propaganda. needs to be heard, but who will listen. to a dead man walking.
after his opinion was proven wrong.he thought love protect your mistakes. now grow an other generation, to get out, of your desert.
Hi Ariel,
John 15:8 My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.
John 8:31,32 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
Our works, deeds, fruit, obedience do prove that we are His children.
John 15:8 My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.
John 8:31,32 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
Our works, deeds, fruit, obedience do prove that we are His children.
A
Proves to the world...not to God
Bible > Revelation > Chapter 12 > Verse 11
◄ Revelation 12:11 ►
New International Version
They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.
New Living Translation
And they have defeated him by the blood of the Lamb and by their testimony. And they did not love their lives so much that they were afraid to die.
English Standard Version
And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.
Berean Study Bible
They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.
Berean Literal Bible
And they have overcome him by reason of the blood of the Lamb, and by reason of the word of their testimony; and they have not loved their life unto death.
New American Standard Bible
"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.
King James Bible
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Bible > Revelation > Chapter 12 > Verse 11
◄ Revelation 12:11 ►
New International Version
They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.
New Living Translation
And they have defeated him by the blood of the Lamb and by their testimony. And they did not love their lives so much that they were afraid to die.
English Standard Version
And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.
Berean Study Bible
They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.
Berean Literal Bible
And they have overcome him by reason of the blood of the Lamb, and by reason of the word of their testimony; and they have not loved their life unto death.
New American Standard Bible
"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.
King James Bible
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Not only would they reject God after having seen Him, but they do, & they have. The Bible tells us that man is without exvuse because everywhere in creation shows He is.
That's why the doctrine of "so others can see Jesus in you" is a false one. They saw Him in the flesh. They saw Him perform miracles. They saw Him teach. Yet, He was still despised and rejected.
You have been given the gift of saving faith by God, & you have chosen to accept that gift. Your eyes were opened so that you could see The Truth. Hallelujah! - is really all I can say to that!
Thank you for your post.
That's why the doctrine of "so others can see Jesus in you" is a false one. They saw Him in the flesh. They saw Him perform miracles. They saw Him teach. Yet, He was still despised and rejected.
You have been given the gift of saving faith by God, & you have chosen to accept that gift. Your eyes were opened so that you could see The Truth. Hallelujah! - is really all I can say to that!
Thank you for your post.
Thanks ariel.
I'm reading the first one here.
http://therebelgod.com/CrossPaper.pdf
Am greatly enjoying it!
I'm reading the first one here.
http://therebelgod.com/CrossPaper.pdf
Am greatly enjoying it!
I think it's both.
All things bring glory to Him. So in that sense as we're being proved.
John says the Father is glorified so I do believe it's proof to Him as well because it brings Him glory, honor and praise.
When He tests the genuineness of our faith, I believe it brings Him great joy when the testing of our faith proves genuine.
And I also believe the angels in heaven are rejoicing as well.
Not only would they reject God after having seen Him, but they do, & they have. The Bible tells us that man is without exvuse because everywhere in creation shows He is.
That's why the doctrine of "so others can see Jesus in you" is a false one. They saw Him in the flesh. They saw Him perform miracles. They saw Him teach. Yet, He was still despised and rejected.
You have been given the gift of saving faith by God, & you have chosen to accept that gift. Your eyes were opened so that you could see The Truth. Hallelujah! - is really all I can say to that!
Thank you for your post.
That's why the doctrine of "so others can see Jesus in you" is a false one. They saw Him in the flesh. They saw Him perform miracles. They saw Him teach. Yet, He was still despised and rejected.
You have been given the gift of saving faith by God, & you have chosen to accept that gift. Your eyes were opened so that you could see The Truth. Hallelujah! - is really all I can say to that!
Thank you for your post.
It's very nice to meet you Terrie!
I've never heard that doctrine so I can't talk about it.
Do you think men are given the gift of saving faith and then they reject it? That their eyes are opened so they can see the truth and then they reject it? I can't quite picture having seen God existed one day as I did and then saying, I don't care...who would DO that? To suddenly see there IS someone larger than this hard and often miserable existence and then to choose the miserable existence and reject the someone larger is something I can't fathom.