Not By Works

Cee · Aug 10, 2017

Oh I see, well as EG pointed out, it is a past tense statement. The idea behind it in my opinion is this:

"24Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh. <<<

Belonging to Christ = Crucified the flesh.

The flesh is crucified by belonging to Christ.

Said another way: The act of being in Christ, crucified the flesh. Because we now live to God not to the flesh. There is a spiritual reality that has happened when we die to the old man and are reborn in Christ.

Meggido · Aug 10, 2017

Cee said:

Oh I see, well as EG pointed out, it is a past tense statement. The idea behind it in my opinion is this:

"24Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh. <<<

Belonging to Christ = Crucified the flesh.

The flesh is crucified by belonging to Christ.

Said another way: The act of being in Christ, crucified the flesh. Because we now live to God not to the flesh. There is a spiritual reality that has happened when we live BY faith.

thanks......

Stunnedbygrace · Aug 10, 2017

Rosemaryx said:

Yes, you SHOULD keep your ears covered. I don't care if I agree with what a man is saying or not, if he is not walking in the Spirit in love, I won't take stock in much he says. Now if I catch a man walking in the Spirit, he will ALWAYS have my ear, because I see my Lord in him.

Even if I understand and agree with some point a man makes, I can tell it was taught to him by other men rather than our Lord if he presents it without walking in the Spirit. So his next point could be as wrong as his previous point was right.

If a man is SPIRIT taught, he won;t be teaching or talking in a fleshly way with outbursts of anger and mocking or nasty way. He will be speaking with POWER! He won't start squawking if another man is nasty to him, he'll just keep loving and forgiving and walking in the Spirit because he has died to his flesh. HE WON'T revile back or demand apologies. In fact, he will EXPECT to be treated the same way his Lord was treated.

Stunnedbygrace · Aug 10, 2017

PennEd said:

He was probably harassed nonstop by the HOA with THAT in his driveway!

Rosemaryx · Aug 10, 2017

Meggido said:

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Amen....easy believism is a mor---- term made up by those who work for their salvation....more fluff....It please God by the foolishness of preaching to save those that BELIEVE <---- WHAT the workers for call easy believism.....

Ok so since you guys either do not under the term or believe in the term easy-believing, let me define what it is...and it is very Biblical......I do not expect any of the OSAS camp to support this, because its too easy for them to just shout out...oh yeah, those people, they are not really saved anyway....yet not many of you[not you Ariel] can tell us what the salvation walk looks like after conversion...

easy-believing is better called, mental assenting.

Mental assent believing means a person believes in their mind, but not in their heart...They mental assent to Jesus forgiving their sins, but never believe in their heart or confess with their mouth...[Romans 10.9-10]

Mental assent believing is usually a result of worldly sorrow and the Bible says this sorrow leads to death [2 Cor 7.10]

What is worldly sorrow? It is a fake form of repenting, that simply says...I am sorry I got caught living in SIN and then there is no real heart change...

Mental assenting believing is taught in the parable of the sower....I do not expect OSAS or predestination Calvinists to believe this and they don't....

How is Mental assenting believing/easy-believing propagated....By perverting what true grace is and that perverted grace allows you to simply believe what Jesus did for you and then covers you to live ANY WAY you want, nothing personal is needed for spiritual growth,no bearing fruit is needed....just live in grace...live like hell, get drunk all the time, take drugs, look at porn, engage in homosexual sex, be a fornicator, never change, let wrath continue to let you act like a child......take the kids to sports activities on Sundays, its OK not to read your bible, pray, fast, seek God's will and direction, by all means leave others alone and let them work out their own salvation...fruit bearing!?!? who needs it...I am saved I have grace....an apple tree is still and apple tree if its dead or never bears apples....then go back to church on Sunday or not any church and bask and swim in grace....Obey God, live for God, love others.!?!?!?..heck no...that is the preachers job....be Spirit led...whats that...sounds scary and is mysticism, not the found in the Bible.....I have free salvation and can live like hell....God is Good and so that means I am good...

The Bible says the old man is buried with Christ and the new man is raised into newness of life with Christ...the Bible says at salvation you are made into a new creature and old things pass away...The Bible says we become slaves to righteousness not slaves to sin, the Bible says put off the old man and put on the new...and some posters here laugh at this and say it is not needed because they are saved by grace and through faith and none of that matters....

This is mental assenting brought to you by perverted grace teaching...

Hi Meggido...After reading your post it brings a question to my mind, how can anyone believe that they can live the way they lived with their filthy rags on and still walk with the Holy Spirit

these people must be the ones who are not truly saved, i hate saying that because only God knows their heart, but while people remain in their past sins, they can`t have an understanding that God will not be present while they hold the devils hand, it`s impossible, such easy believing must surely come from satan himself, how else could anyone believe they could possibly walk this way

...xox...

Rosemaryx · Aug 10, 2017

Rosemaryx said:

Sorry i missed something out...We all sin and fall short of the Glory of God, but we do not habitually sin, Christ in us is removing us from our old ways, these people are false people who claim to be walking with Christ while dancing with the evil one, my mind boggles...xox...

UnderGrace · Aug 10, 2017

I tend to think that those who know that Jesus was a person who died on the cross and was resurrected, have not been

taught the personal nature of this work, so they only believe it as true historical fact.

So one cannot fault them if they have never been told the full gospel, I know I was not.

I do not think it is a theology really either, I think again it is term from the Lordship salvation teachers who have muddled up the clear simple gospel and they say we teach mental assent but really we do not.

eternally-gratefull said:

Rosemaryx · Aug 10, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

we should not be taking sides anyway, Just tell us what you believe, Chances are you may agree wiht one side or the other. But it does not mean you are taking sides.

just because you are like minded with one side, does snot mean you are taking sides, and apposing the other. You just believe what you believe.

Thank you...xox...

PennEd · Aug 10, 2017

Cee said:

THIS is so true.

This is not a theoretical question with me. I have first hand experience with the truth of eternal security and the incalculable Grace of Jesus Christ.

When I tried MY hardest not to sin after accepting Christ, when I WANTED to stop doing sinful behaviors, and even thought at one point I'd blown it because of my sin and God was going to judge me because of it, it resulted IN ME COMMITTING MORE sin, NOT LESS!

The Lord spoke to me as I was praying one day and said that ALL of my sins were paid for, to stop thinking about them, and focus on Him. Because He would NEVER leave me!

Since that time, not only the actual sin I commit has GREATLY diminished, but even my DESIRE to commit that sin has diminished. Without that fear, and with trusting Him more and more, He has opened up opportunities to Glorify Him, that I would have thought laughable before His revelation to me.

So fear not Brethren! HE IS NOT GOING TO ABANDON YOU! And if YOU stray He will draw you back.

If you are taking that as an invitation to sin, then you need to pray to God to give you revelation.

Meggido · Aug 10, 2017

Rosemaryx said:

Quite correct, If you dance with the devil, only you are the one changed....

UnderGrace · Aug 10, 2017

Amen,

It is that deep belief in the completed work of Christ and that there is no condemnation, that sets us free to walk more fully in Him and His Love

PennEd said:

THIS is so true.

This is not a theoretical question with me. I have first experience with the truth of eternal security and the incalculable Grace of Jesus Christ.

When I tried MY hardest not to sin after accepting Christ, when I WANTED to stop doing sinful behaviors, and even thought at one point I'd blown it because of my sin and God was going to judge me because of it, it resulted IN ME COMMITTING MORE sin, NOT LESS!

The Lord spoke to me as I was praying one day and said that ALL of my sins were paid for, to stop thinking about them, and focus on Him. Because He would NEVER leave me!

Since that time, not only the actual sin I commit has GREATLY diminished, but even my DESIRE to commit that sin has diminished. Without that fear, and with trusting Him more and more, He has opened up opportunities to Glorify Him, that I would have thought laughable before His revelation to me.

So fear not Brethren! HE IS NOT GOING TO ABANDON YOU! And if YOU stray He will draw you back.

If you are taking that as an invitation to sin, then you need to pray to God to give you revelation.

eternally-gratefull · Aug 10, 2017

PennEd said:

I am sure he had to, Very doubtfull he had enough in the area needed.. Plus all else he needed,,

Talk about faith.. in the midst of extreme persecution, something like no one here has ever been under

TruthTalk · Aug 10, 2017

UnderGrace said:

Thank you UnderGrace for posting these links. I grew up in a well known church in Los Angeles that gravitated to Lordship Salvation over a number of years. I will be taking more time to study God's word concerning these issues. Amy Carmichael, James Hudson Taylor, Jim and Elisabeth Elliot, were my go to hero's as a young new born Christian. I wore down the pages and binder of, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael: By Elisabeth Elliot. Thank you UnderGrace.

Attribute: Excerpt from: Notes From a Retired Preacher; Lordship Salvation, posted March 5, 2017

I have found spiritual gold in many different places throughout my life. Outside of my dear parents and Leslie’s parents, there are twenty-six greats (from the past two centuries) that have most influenced my Christian thinking and living in our modern times. And since their thoughts are found speckled throughout these notes, I wish to honor them here, as a reminder to all the students gleaning wisdom from this training, that the strongest Christian leaders are but a consecrated quotation of the giants of faith that have proceeded him – C.T. Studd, Hudson Taylor, George Muller, Rees Howells, AW Tozer, William Booth, Amy Carmichal, Richard Wurmbrand, Leonard Ravenhill, Paris Reidhead, Corrie Ten Boom, George Whitefield, John Wesley, David Brainerd, Charles Spurgeon, EM Bounds, John Hyde, Jim and Elizabeth Elliot, Keith Green, Jackie Pullinger, DL Moody, Major Ian Thomas, Gladys Aylward, David Wilkerson, and Oswald Chambers. I dearly desire my life to be a quotation of such an audacious band of mighties. (Eric Ludy)

Rosemaryx · Aug 10, 2017

Cee said:

Hi Cee...This says to me that i am now dead to my old self, I am now alive in Christ, i now have the Holy Spirit who is bearing fruit in me, He is growing me, it does not mean i sit back and do nothing, it means as i grow in Christ, the fruit that is about to burst He puts forward for me to go and serve Him, nothing is wasted

...Ii am not a sloth, He does not like sloths, Hhe sends us out to be a lamp unto the world of lost souls, even if i just give a pip out of my fruit that He has grown in me, a pip can be watered and grown...All the glory to God \o/...xox...

eternally-gratefull · Aug 10, 2017

Rosemaryx said:

Hi Meggido...After reading your post it brings a question to my mind, how can anyone believe that they can live the way they lived with their filthy rags on and still walk with the Holy Spirit

these people must be the ones who are not truly saved, i hate saying that because only God knows their heart, but while people remain in their past sins, they can`t have an understanding that God will not be present while they hold the devils hand, it`s impossible, such easy believing must surely come from satan himself, how else could anyone believe they could possibly walk this way

...xox...

if they were gods children, they would be chastened by God. Who can withstand that, and deny it?

eternally-gratefull · Aug 10, 2017

Rosemaryx said:

Your very welcome sis..

UnderGrace · Aug 10, 2017

I so know what you mean... I hope you will take the time to read more on the website. It is website I feel comfortable posting.

They preach and teach a clear simple gospel.

I found theology was making my life so complicated and the Christian walk was more than heavy.

In Jesus I found simplicity again.

TruthTalk said:

Thank you UnderGrace for posting these links. I grew up in a well known church in Los Angeles that gravitated to Lordship Salvation over a number of years. I will be taking more time to study God's word concerning these issues. Amy Carmichael, James Hudson Taylor, Jim and Elisabeth Elliot, were my go to hero's as a young new born Christian. I wore down the pages and binder of, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael: By Elisabeth Elliot. Thank you UnderGrace.

Attribute: Excerpt from: Notes From a Retired Preacher; Lordship Salvation, posted March 5, 2017

I have found spiritual gold in many different places throughout my life. Outside of my dear parents and Leslie’s parents, there are twenty-six greats (from the past two centuries) that have most influenced my Christian thinking and living in our modern times. And since their thoughts are found speckled throughout these notes, I wish to honor them here, as a reminder to all the students gleaning wisdom from this training, that the strongest Christian leaders are but a consecrated quotation of the giants of faith that have proceeded him – C.T. Studd, Hudson Taylor, George Muller, Rees Howells, AW Tozer, William Booth, Amy Carmichal, Richard Wurmbrand, Leonard Ravenhill, Paris Reidhead, Corrie Ten Boom, George Whitefield, John Wesley, David Brainerd, Charles Spurgeon, EM Bounds, John Hyde, Jim and Elizabeth Elliot, Keith Green, Jackie Pullinger, DL Moody, Major Ian Thomas, Gladys Aylward, David Wilkerson, and Oswald Chambers. I dearly desire my life to be a quotation of such an audacious band of mighties. (Eric Ludy)

Stunnedbygrace · Aug 10, 2017

Cee said:

If my flesh had been crucified in one moment in time, it would be dead, but practically speaking, that wasn't my experience. I had to pick up my cross and follow. And it hasn't been an easy thing with no struggle. I had to struggle to lay down my life of pride for my brother. I still struggle in it at times when someone is being extremely, extremely nasty to me.

I understand that Paul was talking about himself there. He HAD crucified his flesh. He HAD gone through that in the three years in which he sought out no man. But then he did not say the same thing to the church that was having a problem with their flesh, angry outbursts, dissensions, etc. He would certainly not tell them they had already crucified their flesh or laid down their lives yet for the good of their brothers. It was apparent by their behavior that they had not.

UnderGrace · Aug 10, 2017

Amen and Amen

Focus on Jesus, He is more than able to deal with His own.

When one is spiritual it is actually harder not easier

eternally-gratefull said:

stonesoffire · Aug 10, 2017

My poem:

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A Ready Heart

Offerings

What could I offer to You O My King?
What is of worth, would I have to You bring?

Nothing but purest of gifts are You worthy..
My hands and my heart seem so empty..

My Child, it's not sacrifice that I am pleased with
I gave You the best gift that man cannot match.

It's your yes and amen, I believe You My Father
Yes Lord I trust You...my heart is stedfast..

But is that enough O My Father to trust You?
Can I stand fast in the day of our trouble?
What will we do when our days rise up evil?
And darkness is covering this land?

You shine like the Son with the light I have given
My Child it is brighter than day of your sun.
I've given you oil in your lamp and will guide you
Your footsteps won't falter, your race will be won.

I'm asking you stand and confess what I tell you
Stand and confess what you see with my eyes
For others You'll stand as the rock in my temple
Leading and guiding them home.

This is the offering with which you will please me.
Of mankind that's lost yet in darkness of sin
To be as My own Son in giving Me full heart
No other gift precious as life full of Him.

I'll pour in you oil that is that which is purest
The oil that flowed out of My Sons sacrifice
The first drops of oil that is golden and clearest
The bruising of healing oil flowing of love.

As healing drops flow over wounds of long standing
the light of My Presence will glow forth of glory.
I'll shine ever brighter in lives of this flowing..
My oil is the source, and you Child are the Bride. .

My Son is now ready and waiting for my call
To rise up and open the door to His Bride..
It's soon O my Children, this world soon is passing
Your King is coming...His light will abide.

This is the gift of you that I would ask Child.
Your faith in believing releases My oil
It's light is for leading those yet who are captured
in places of darkness, alone, and forlorn.

Jesus, shine in and out of me.

The purest oil of the olive is that which drops without pressure or with the slightest pressure upon the olive. The crushed olives grade is least then. That which is precious to Father...is the heart that says,

" I believe Your Son is enough for me, Father."

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