"Not by works" - false!
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I believe God calls us to remain faithful. In my understanding human belief or human faith is involved with spiritual persuasion or spiritual faith.
It isn't keeping the law that saves. It is by us putting our faith in the only hope for salvation. A free gift to all who will hear and believe.
In my view, one can fall away by choice. How does this happen? By suppressing the Spirit and the commandments or will of God. Sanctification isn't for salvation. It is God training us to be Holy. There are things in this world that can choke us, tempt us, and hurt our relationship with God. By following God's will, we keep a healthy relationship. By being disobedient or even lazy we can create a poor relationship. A poor relationship invites infidelity or God would even call His people a whore. And would constantly time and time again, call for His people to return.
But ultimately the Apostles and Jesus simply called for belief. If one was to turn or apostate then what hope do they have if they return and remain in unbelief?
People debate this as people have for centuries, people will disagree with me and that's okay, we all are at different points in our faith journey and God will lead those obediently searching for truth in the right direction, in His time. To me the most important part of salvation is the beginning. If you believe that Jesus Christ is your Savior and Lord then everything else can be ironed out in time.
It isn't keeping the law that saves. It is by us putting our faith in the only hope for salvation. A free gift to all who will hear and believe.
In my view, one can fall away by choice. How does this happen? By suppressing the Spirit and the commandments or will of God. Sanctification isn't for salvation. It is God training us to be Holy. There are things in this world that can choke us, tempt us, and hurt our relationship with God. By following God's will, we keep a healthy relationship. By being disobedient or even lazy we can create a poor relationship. A poor relationship invites infidelity or God would even call His people a whore. And would constantly time and time again, call for His people to return.
But ultimately the Apostles and Jesus simply called for belief. If one was to turn or apostate then what hope do they have if they return and remain in unbelief?
People debate this as people have for centuries, people will disagree with me and that's okay, we all are at different points in our faith journey and God will lead those obediently searching for truth in the right direction, in His time. To me the most important part of salvation is the beginning. If you believe that Jesus Christ is your Savior and Lord then everything else can be ironed out in time.
Yes, you are trying to entrap me in my words.
Here again, you're saying that I said something that in fact I didn't.
I did not say that I had a 'special revelation' from God.
Rather, I said that I let God be my guide when reading the Bible.
I said this in response to another user who appeared to allow his understanding of scripture to be determined by other's interpretations.
Of course my sin is not deliberate.
Even though we all make mistakes, I suspect the majority of Christians do not DELIBERATELY sin against God.
Do you deliberately sin against God?
Here again, you're saying that I said something that in fact I didn't.
I did not say that I had a 'special revelation' from God.
Rather, I said that I let God be my guide when reading the Bible.
I said this in response to another user who appeared to allow his understanding of scripture to be determined by other's interpretations.
Of course my sin is not deliberate.
Even though we all make mistakes, I suspect the majority of Christians do not DELIBERATELY sin against God.
Do you deliberately sin against God?
I thought a born agains sins are covered..by the death of Jesus...once we receive the Holy Spirit...doesn’t he lead us into all truth....also I believe God disciplines his children...if we deliberately sin...not sure though...I honestly thought through sanctification he changes us through the Holy Spirit who dwells in our spirit....
I also believe if you are truly born again...you want to please the Lord....because of what he did on the cross for us..
Just my thoughts...
I also believe if you are truly born again...you want to please the Lord....because of what he did on the cross for us..
Just my thoughts...
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Obviously there are some people who have commented on this thread who do not feel that Christians should keep God's commandments.
John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments"
Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man".
What we're dealing with here is lazy Christians, who say they follow Jesus and want salvation, but do not like the idea of having to keep his commandments.
John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments"
Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man".
What we're dealing with here is lazy Christians, who say they follow Jesus and want salvation, but do not like the idea of having to keep his commandments.
I disagree...
I have seen through your post that you have called many of God`s children lazy Christians , yet they have been on here contending for our faith...
You seem quiet judgemental on your presumptions , we are warned about being presumptuous ...
You may also be seen as making false remarks by calling others lazy , that is wrong , how are they being lazy ?
I have seen through your post that you have called many of God`s children lazy Christians , yet they have been on here contending for our faith...
You seem quiet judgemental on your presumptions , we are warned about being presumptuous ...
You may also be seen as making false remarks by calling others lazy , that is wrong , how are they being lazy ?
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