"Not by works" - false!

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DBurrage

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Guojing said:
When someone wants to understand what you really meant, and you don't want to clarify, that is sad.

Alright then
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Hun, I'm referring you to posts in which your questions have already been answered.

Let's stop 'fighting' eachother and come to an understanding about what we're both trying to say :)

The reason I've referred you to posts is so that I don't have to sit here and keep typing out the same paragraphs for the many people who are asking the same questions.
 
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Guojing said:
Okay, let me clarify what you are saying.

If some of my sins are not covered by Jesus's sacrifice, am I still saved?
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I am doing my best to try and figure out what your point of confusion is. Would you like me to define salvation for you?
 
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DBurrage

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oyster67 said:
I am doing my best to try and figure out what your point of confusion is. Would you like me to define salvation for you?
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His problem is that he has read the title of the thread but not bothered to understand what is actually being said.
 
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Guojing

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DBurrage said:
Hun, I'm referring you to posts in which your questions have already been answered.

Let's stop 'fighting' eachother and come to an understanding about what we're both trying to say :)

The reason I've referred you to posts is so that I don't have to sit here and keep typing out the same paragraphs for the many people who are asking the same questions.
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Well I do that all the time ;)

Discussing your points in forums is like that. We always like to think we are very clear, but others who don't know who you are can only read the words themselves, and they often interpret it in ways that are different from what's really on your mind.
 
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Guojing

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oyster67 said:
I am doing my best to try and figure out what your point of confusion is. Would you like me to define salvation for you?
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When he claimed that if we do not consciously turn away from sin and do our best to stop rebelling against God once we accept Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:

What do you think he meant when he said "will not cover those sins"?

What is the impact of those sins that are not covered, to a Christian?
 
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DBurrage

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Guojing said:
Well I do that all the time ;)

Discussing your points in forums is like that. We always like to think we are very clear, but others who don't know who you are can only read the words themselves, and they often interpret it in ways that are different from what's really on your mind.
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I agree with this :)

But please, take your time to look carefully firstly at the OP, then posts #199, #237 and #242
 
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DBurrage

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Guojing said:
Thanks, I will see whether oyster can help you explain what was on your mind ;)
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In other words you're not bothered to click a few buttons to understand what is being said but, despite not understanding, you're happy to keep going round in circles?
 
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DBurrage said:
In other words you're not bothered to click a few buttons to understand what is being said but, despite not understanding, you're happy to keep going round in circles?
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That was why I keep quoting the statement you made in bold, and asking you what you really meant, because I don't want to jump into conclusions.

To me, that is not going in circles, but showing you respect.
 
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DBurrage

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Guojing said:
That was why I keep quoting the statement you made in bold, and asking you what you really meant.

To me, that is not going in circles.
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Yes, and the posts I referred you to explain what is meant:

The OP, #199, #237 and #242

If you're not going to make an effort to read those four posts and understand what is being said, I'm afraid I can't keep going round in circles with you.
 
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DBurrage said:
Yes but that it not what is being said in this thread.
If you believe it is then you haven't taken the time to understand before launching a verbal attack on a fellow brother.
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So what is being said? All I keep hearing from you is double speak.
 
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DBurrage

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mailmandan said:
So what is being said? All I keep hearing from you is double speak.
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It's not double-speak.
I keep having to correct people who seem to have only read the title of the thread and who have not understood what is being said.

So I don't have to keep typing out the same stuff time and time again, if you REALLY want to understand what is being said read the following posts carefully:

The OP
Post #199
Post #237
Post #242
 
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DBurrage said:
It's not double-speak.
I keep having to correct people who seem to have only read the title of the thread and who have not understood what is being said.

So I don't have to keep typing out the same stuff time and time again, if you REALLY want to understand what is being said read the following posts carefully:

The OP
Post #199
Post #237
Post #242
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So the OP received 10 red X's for nothing and everyone who gave you a red X is simply confused and you are simply misunderstood? :unsure: All of this controversy is over nothing after all? I don't think so.
 
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DBurrage said:
2 Peter 2:1
"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves".


I would like to contend that the notion that salvation is given to us ONLY in return for believing in Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior is INCOMPLETE.


We ARE asked to believe in Jesus Christ for salvation:
Acts 16:30-31
" "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" ".


HOWEVER, Jesus repeatedly told people to stop sinning, and we are warned that if we deliberately/knowingly continue in sin following the acceptance of Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will NOT cover these sins:
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".

This of course makes sense.
If we SAY we follow Jesus but continue rebelling against God, then are we REALLY following Jesus?
Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter".


So then, we must accept Jesus into our lives and believe in him.
AND we must also stop rebelling against God, even after we have accepted Jesus into our lives.


What I have said may be obvious to many, but all the time I hear excuses from Christians to justify their sinning:
"Nobody is perfect" - nobody has said that you are
"God will forgive me" - actually, according to Matt 7:21, if you continue to sin after accepting Jesus, Jesus' sacrifice won't cover your sin (verse above)
"We're human, and humans are fallible" - typical excuse!
"It is impossible not to sin, as we are not perfect" - this article sums it up very well: https://www.gotquestions.org/go-and-sin-no-more.html
Have you heard these kind of excuses too?


Christians have no excuses for deliberately/knowingly sinning:
1 John 1:6
"If, then, we say that we have fellowship with him, yet at the same time live in the darkness, we are lying both in our words and in our actions".
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Ah

so we have to add to the work of christ because his work was incomplete,

I do not think he will be very happy when you tell him this and try to boast of your works
 
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