"Not by works" - false!
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You ignored my question. 
You state God loves everyone without exception.
When I ask "How can a holy GOD love wickedness" you have no answer.
Definition of God's love (one that ensures a holy God does not love the wicked son of Satan)
God’s love is an immutable emotion, a volition. Since God is holy He is separate from all that is unclean and evil. Thus, God’s love is an intellectual disposition of favor based on moral perfection (God is holy/light). Goes loves His son most as Christ is a perfect reflection of Himself.
As pertaining to the man, the absolute, innate holiness of God means that sinners have to be separated from Him unless a way can be found to constitute them holy. And that way has been provided in the merits of Jesus Christ to those IN CHRIST. God loves everyone else to the extent that the rain falls on the good and the wicked.
You state God loves everyone without exception.
When I ask "How can a holy GOD love wickedness" you have no answer.
Definition of God's love (one that ensures a holy God does not love the wicked son of Satan)
God’s love is an immutable emotion, a volition. Since God is holy He is separate from all that is unclean and evil. Thus, God’s love is an intellectual disposition of favor based on moral perfection (God is holy/light). Goes loves His son most as Christ is a perfect reflection of Himself.
As pertaining to the man, the absolute, innate holiness of God means that sinners have to be separated from Him unless a way can be found to constitute them holy. And that way has been provided in the merits of Jesus Christ to those IN CHRIST. God loves everyone else to the extent that the rain falls on the good and the wicked.
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Jackrosie, what you said is important. Because we are to turn to the revealed scriptures to truly understand God and His revealed will. If we bypass the scriptures, we can so easily be led away in error. Perhaps creating a God in our own image (an image of what/who we think He is, as opposed to who He really is). And yes, we have the Holy Spirit in us right there along the Way, unlocking these scriptures and teaching us from these scriptures.
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John 10v29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
Premise1: NO ONE [no person] CAN SNATCH YOU [any Christian] FROM THE FATHERS HAND.
Premise2: Christ1975 is a person
Conclusion: Christ1975, being a person, cannot snatch any person (himself) from the fathers hand.
The logic is inescapable.
Premise1: NO ONE [no person] CAN SNATCH YOU [any Christian] FROM THE FATHERS HAND.
Premise2: Christ1975 is a person
Conclusion: Christ1975, being a person, cannot snatch any person (himself) from the fathers hand.
The logic is inescapable.
Romans is all about trying to be justified by works of the law.
"13It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham." - Romans 4:13-16
Justification by faith vs. justification by the law, particularly circumcision, is what his treatise is all about. It isn't about doing something vs. doing nothing at all. It's about doing the works of the law for justification vs. having faith in God for justification.
"13It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham." - Romans 4:13-16
Justification by faith vs. justification by the law, particularly circumcision, is what his treatise is all about. It isn't about doing something vs. doing nothing at all. It's about doing the works of the law for justification vs. having faith in God for justification.
It's not in the Bible because FAITH (as the dictionary defines it) comes from God. Therefore, it cannot be earned. Therefore, it is not in the Bible.
On the other hand, people like you, state that it is your responsibility to believe and continue to believe in God. Thus, your method, if true ... suggests one must earn ones salvation.
There, consider yourself told ...
On the other hand, people like you, state that it is your responsibility to believe and continue to believe in God. Thus, your method, if true ... suggests one must earn ones salvation.
There, consider yourself told ...
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From about age 10 or 11 I was convicted by the Spirit of being a sinner.
By the time I was 15 I had become accountable for my sin and I knew I did not belong to God and would not go to be with him when I died. And I knew I could not change my behavior and could do nothing about my lostness.
This continued for a few years until God began to strongly call me to salvation through faith in Christ.
I resisted the call for a few years and finally caved in and asked God to forgive my sins.
The Spirit came into me and I was saved and transformed into a new creation that's been growing up into Christ and out of sin ever since.
By the time I was 15 I had become accountable for my sin and I knew I did not belong to God and would not go to be with him when I died. And I knew I could not change my behavior and could do nothing about my lostness.
This continued for a few years until God began to strongly call me to salvation through faith in Christ.
I resisted the call for a few years and finally caved in and asked God to forgive my sins.
The Spirit came into me and I was saved and transformed into a new creation that's been growing up into Christ and out of sin ever since.
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