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In actual fact, this reaction is reminiscent of other experiences I've had in the past (both online and in real life) when I've 'dared' to ask basic questions or make blindingly obvious statements that are logical both Biblically and scientifically.

I give up completely. Every time I've engaged with Christianity I've found myself being stung by people like this.
Now that I'm in a position such that I've been baptised and consider myself a Christian, it's worse.

I give up completely.

I sincerely wish you all the best.

I'm glad I've had this experience though, at least I can put this aspect of my life to bed and not keep coming back to get stung again.
You guys who act like this should be proud. Look at the above.

Congrats! :rolleyes:
 

maxwel

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Question anything and you'll be hounded:

1. You'll be asked to confirm that you're actually a Christian.
Your very faith will be called into question because you've asked something.
It might be well within the realm of possibility that other Christians, because they are Christians, are concerned about spiritual things, like the state of another person's soul.

I think we're actually SUPPOSED to be concerned about people's souls.


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p_rehbein

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.....and, apparently, when someone dismisses the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as being non-Biblical, Christians are suppose to remain silent. Weird way of looking at it.......but.............

......and, apparently, when someone dismisses entire groups of people as being "happy, clappy churches" Christians are suppose to remain silent. Weird way of looking at it.......but.......
 

Dino246

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Whatever mate.
You're trying to mock me because of the precise nature of the language I use.

Apologies if logical thought is beyond your grasp.

Anyway, I give up with this.
I'll allow you to take this as some kind of 'victory' over me if you wish.

I'll tell you what though, I understand now why in the UK many people who identify as Christians don't associate with the likes of you.

Well done.

F*** this s***, I swear to God now that I will never step inside a Church again.
Wow. Well, you claim you're a Christian... and I'll claim I'm from Missouri.
 
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Wow. Well, you claim you're a Christian... and I'll claim I'm from Missouri.
I know right, a person exercising due diligence, just as Jesus told us to.
Shocker!

Anyway, not anymore.
Does that make me a naughty boy?

A statistically significant number of Christians I've met (not all) would suggest that either
1. The Church as a collective group of people is rotten, and so far away from God that it's not worth associating with it anyway
2. Or, that the kind of god that attracts these kind of people isn't the kind of God that I'd like to follow (i.e. not the actual creator), in which case the same holds.

Anyway, please feel to proceed to tell me what I bad boy I now am.

Meanwhile, I wish you all the best.
 

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I know right, a person exercising due diligence, just as Jesus told us to.
Shocker!

Anyway, not anymore.
Does that make me a naughty boy?

A statistically significant number of Christians I've met (not all) would suggest that either
1. The Church as a collective group of people is rotten, and so far away from God that it's not worth associating with it anyway
2. Or, that the kind of god that attracts these kind of people isn't the kind of God that I'd like to follow (i.e. not the actual creator), in which case the same holds.

Anyway, please feel to proceed to tell me what I bad boy I now am.

Meanwhile, I wish you all the best.



Who cares what someone else thinks of you and the views you have concerning the Bible. They did not die for you and can't save you if they actually tried to. All that actually matters is how you feel you stand with God. Do you actually feel like you are a bad boy? If not, then don't be concerned over being falsely judged.
 

Dino246

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I know right, a person exercising due diligence, just as Jesus told us to.
Your conflation of asking basic questions with swearing, telling people off, and making claims that are almost universally rejected by Christians is not "exercising due diligence", so quit your silly self-righteous act.


A statistically significant number of Christians I've met (not all) would suggest that
Statistically significant? By what statistical test? Chi-squared perhaps? Or maybe ANOVA? What was your critical value? Where did you collect your data? What was your sample size? What was your data-collection method? Is your dataset and test methodology available for examination? Or, as I am almost certain, are you simply blowing smoke?


... either
1. The Church as a collective group of people is rotten, and so far away from God that it's not worth associating with it anyway
2. Or, that the kind of god that attracts these kind of people isn't the kind of God that I'd like to follow (i.e. not the actual creator), in which case the same holds.
Fallacy: false dichotomy.


Anyway, please feel to proceed to tell me what I bad boy I now am.
Another lame attempt to justify your rejection of truth.
 
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Another lame attempt to justify your rejection of truth.
If Jesus was God, you would have called for him to be crucified.

You have not read what I've written, not least understood.

Anyway, I'll leave you to talk to others about what's true about your fairy tale, and what's not true about your fairy tale...

Damn, I'm free.
 
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I'm sorry but I'm so pleased I'm free.
There are sensible people in Christianity.
Then there are nice people.

But damn it's like your brains have fallen out.
God gave you all a brain and told you to use it.
Why don't you?

There's no damn reasoning with many of you!

But hey, I've just read a quote that says "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people", so I guess you're only doing what's natural to you.

I should stop, because personal insults isn't my style.
I'll leave that to you guys.
 

Blik

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There is something radically wrong with today's approach to scripture. I recently had it pointed out to me that God does not tell us that he started creation on the day scripture lists the days. Scripture tells us "in the beginning" was when God started creation. Scripture doesn't tell us when that beginning was.

It doesn't make a bit of difference when our earth was created, but it makes a whale of a difference if a person believes science then believes the bible makes a statement about how old the earth is, so based on science is right they toss out scripture.

Scripture makes some definite statements, yet these same people who stand fast on the age of the earth, something scripture makes no statement about, will stand just a pat about how they don't believe what scripture says, especially if it is in the OT. Some of the OT statements have changed like the necessity to perform rituals, so today's church tosses much of the OT in with the instructions that tells us we are to listen to the Holy Spirit now instead of the rituals.
 

Dino246

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There is something radically wrong with today's approach to scripture. I recently had it pointed out to me that God does not tell us that he started creation on the day scripture lists the days. Scripture tells us "in the beginning" was when God started creation. Scripture doesn't tell us when that beginning was.

It doesn't make a bit of difference when our earth was created, but it makes a whale of a difference if a person believes science then believes the bible makes a statement about how old the earth is, so based on science is right they toss out scripture.

Scripture makes some definite statements, yet these same people who stand fast on the age of the earth, something scripture makes no statement about, will stand just a pat about how they don't believe what scripture says, especially if it is in the OT. Some of the OT statements have changed like the necessity to perform rituals, so today's church tosses much of the OT in with the instructions that tells us we are to listen to the Holy Spirit now instead of the rituals.
Clearly you don't believe Exodus 20:11... or Matthew 7:5.
 
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Clearly you don't believe Exodus 20:11... or Matthew 7:5.
Well given that I'm no longer a Christian, do you expect me to believe any of it?

Matthew 7:5 is a Christian's favourite quote to go to when somebody is making them feel vulnerable, be it by causing them to question silly non-core beliefs or by asking them to look at their behaviour.
The quote is fine, in its original context, but is used by Christians as a kind of tactic to detract from the point.

Anyway, do you believe the Earth is of the order of 6,000 years old?
 

Dino246

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Well given that I'm no longer a Christian, do you expect me to believe any of it?

Matthew 7:5 is a Christian's favourite quote to go to when somebody is making them feel vulnerable, be it by causing them to question silly non-core beliefs or by asking them to look at their behaviour.
The quote is fine, in its original context, but is used by Christians as a kind of tactic to detract from the point.

Anyway, do you believe the Earth is of the order of 6,000 years old?
I was responding to Blik, not to you. I thought our conversation was done. Why would you continue to converse with someone whom you consider your intellectual inferior?
 

marinerscatch

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If Jesus was God, you would have called for him to be crucified.

You have not read what I've written, not least understood.

Anyway, I'll leave you to talk to others about what's true about your fairy tale, and what's not true about your fairy tale...

Damn, I'm free.




Who do you think Jesus was?
Do you think He was God in the flesh?
 
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I was responding to Blik, not to you. I thought our conversation was done. Why would you continue to converse with someone whom you consider your intellectual inferior?
Whoops sorry, it popped up as a notification.

The way you talk about and mock rational thought indicates that thinking is something you would discourage, in contravention of the teachings of Jesus.

Anyway, I'll leave you alone now.

Genuinely sorry for encouraging introspection and thought.
 
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Who do you think Jesus was?
Do you think He was God in the flesh?
Ahh, number 1 on my list: question the faith of the person.

See previous posts for the list (page 2 I think).

You already know how to deal with a prideful person such as me don't you?
First, question my faith.
Then claim I've said something that I clearly have not.
 
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Don't worry.

These people (including those in real life) have done me a favour, as upsetting as it was at first.
Don't let the hypocrites, legalists and self-righteous chase you away. Stand in there when it's rough; Jeremiah 12:5 bro.

You must also understand clearly the Gospel of Christ. Understand that its depths can never be plunged to the exhausting of all its truths.