Netanyahu

[daisyseesthesun]

If we are spiritually Israel. then aren't we also spiritual? spiritually Jews. In-Woodley. in the spirit in our hearts.

Boy,

You can think of yourself as a Jew if you want spiritually. But God graft us into HIS herd we are HIS sheep, and HIS people are also us. If you interpret Romans 2:28-29 wrong you will think their are only 144,000 Christian or you might think you are Gods chosen people because you become a Jew and not because you became a Christian and follower his commandments.


the hatred held by some for the Jews reveals the Christians that are not in the right spirit. What if Jews are the first born of our Father? are we not the second born? same father same family.

 

[Clayman]

Thank you but no thank you. I don't need your interpretation on this, as I have the Holy Ghost. I think that's where a lot of people go wrong. Letting other people interpretate scripture for them, with their twist. Not that you're twisted anything. I'm just saying.we just should trust the Holy Ghost these days, as we live in the time of the end. And it says many shall be deceived. So thank you. But no, thank you. I can read and I have the Holy Ghost..

Oh Boy, I actually think of myself as circumcised of the heart, so see myself as a spiritual Jew if you like, and part of Spiritual Israel. and agree there is only one body of believers.

But not because I have the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 has to be one of the most misused verses in the bible, I'm not saying you misuse it but others do and this sentiment gets picked up by others.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

People can read this and go, ah I have the Holy Ghost and He will teach me all things, which will then mean I have understanding of all things and also I am inerrant, as if I'm wrong the Holy Spirit who dwells in me is wrong, as he guides me in all things.

This is illogical, as name me one person born again who has not been wrong about something? name two people with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them who agrees on everything? If the Holy spirit worked this way, we would all be of one mind and in complete unity, spotting the bad apples(unregenerate) will be easy with simple tests and no more warring with our own selves and our sinful nature.

I'm just saying we all need milk, and as we grow we switch it up to the real meat of the Word, its by studying and taking up our cross we learn to deny self and submit to the Word. Which is how we grow in understanding and love for the Word. Its the Word that we find living and powerful that cuts to the soul and gives us an adrenaline rush as we strive for understanding.

This can mean listening to others and taking into account how they see things, and seeing if what they say lines up with scripture, I don't believe the Holy Ghost has any influence over how I understand scripture, (sure, my regenerate nature does) so consider myself open to correction or changing my mind at all times for I know I can easily get the wrong end of the stick about certain things.

Submit to one another in the fear of God. eph 5:21

 

[BOY]

Boy,

You can think of yourself as a Jew if you want spiritually. But God graft us into HIS herd we are HIS sheep, and HIS people are also us. If you interpret Romans 2:28-29 wrong you will think their are only 144,000 Christian or you might think you are Gods chosen people because you become a Jew and not because you became a Christian and follower his commandments.


the hatred held by some for the Jews reveals the Christians that are not in the right spirit. What if Jews are the first born of our Father? are we not the second born? same father same family.

Boy,

You can think of yourself as a Jew if you want spiritually. But God graft us into HIS herd we are HIS sheep, and HIS people are also us. If you interpret Romans 2:28-29 wrong you will think their are only 144,000 Christian or you might think you are Gods chosen people because you become a Jew and not because you became a Christian and follower his commandments.


the hatred held by some for the Jews reveals the Christians that are not in the right spirit. What if Jews are the first born of our Father? are we not the second born? same father same family.

I was hoping you would come out of the woodwork.
What Paul says to one says to all.
If a Jew can be a spiritual Jew by faith and circumcised in heart. then so can a Greek. because we are all one people. There are no two peoples. and As for the 144,000 they are Christians, whether they be Jews. saved or whether they be Christian. Jews by faith saved. They are saved Christians. We are God's people. We are all the same. There is no difference between any of us. otherwise it would be slightly racist. And God is just God and a fair God and a well balanced God. So that doctrine is false and it's just been debunked. We are Jews by faith And circumstances in our hearts.

11 A just weight and balance are the Lord's: all the weights of the bag are his work.

 

[BOY]

Boy,

You can think of yourself as a Jew if you want spiritually. But God graft us into HIS herd we are HIS sheep, and HIS people are also us. If you interpret Romans 2:28-29 wrong you will think their are only 144,000 Christian or you might think you are Gods chosen people because you become a Jew and not because you became a Christian and follower his commandments.


the hatred held by some for the Jews reveals the Christians that are not in the right spirit. What if Jews are the first born of our Father? are we not the second born? same father same family.

That is such a racist comment.

 

[BOY]

Netanyahu will not be the antichrist because he does not fit that role.

The Bible says that the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts the world down.

10 horns come from them which is in the future the world divided into 10 sections with a leader in each section.

And the little horn, antichrist, comes from the 10 horns who come from the Roman Empire.

Which the 10 horns shall devour the earth, break it in pieces, and stamp upon the residue of it.

Which they will do it by way of the new age movement which is a Caucasian led plan which the United Nations supports new age organizations.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement which interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and there is no God.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to their own lusts.

Their perspective of reality is different now and they interpret the Bible according to that.

The plan is to change the current belief system of the world to the new age belief system.

There are people in the Science community saying the Bible is true and we do not cease to exist after death.

They say modern Science is giving the correct interpretation of the Bible and the Christians are interpreting it wrong.

They point out the things they interpret wrong about the Bible and Jesus' teachings.

They will do this for a while to reach the people of the world in hopes they will believe the new age christianity is the correct interpretation of the Bible.

When they do it long enough then the New Age Christ will negotiate peace in the Middle East resulting in a 7 years peace treaty and he will push the agenda of the new age christianity which he will think to change times and laws.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The antichrist will come from the people who overthrew Jerusalem which is the Roman Empire which at that time will be the Europeans, Caucasians in unison.

The 7 years peace treaty between Israel and Arabs will be a peace treaty for the world for the nations divided themselves choosing sides.

But is all a set up for they made sure they had leaders in all the nations governments that wanted a one world government.

WW1, League of Nations, WW2, United Nations, a set up to get the nations governments to start cooperating for peace on earth.

The Ukraine war a set up designed to get the people of the world to accept a one world government.

When the beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon it means in spirit which the Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but her ways are still on earth.

Which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is all about.

The beast has 10 horns which is the physical dominion which come from the Roman Empire which they sucked the world in to their plan the new age christianity.

Since the Roman Empire has the dominion the New Age Christ, antichrist, little horn, man of sin, and general all purpose idiot will be Caucasian.

Sorry I shouldn't have been so harsh on you I fell down the hole that I said I wouldn't fall down. I was too harsh. Let's start again, please. I don't mind if you call me doctrine of devils. It does not matter.

 

[BOY]

Netanyahu will not be the antichrist because he does not fit that role.

The Bible says that the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts the world down.

10 horns come from them which is in the future the world divided into 10 sections with a leader in each section.

And the little horn, antichrist, comes from the 10 horns who come from the Roman Empire.

Which the 10 horns shall devour the earth, break it in pieces, and stamp upon the residue of it.

Which they will do it by way of the new age movement which is a Caucasian led plan which the United Nations supports new age organizations.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement which interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and there is no God.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to their own lusts.

Their perspective of reality is different now and they interpret the Bible according to that.

The plan is to change the current belief system of the world to the new age belief system.

There are people in the Science community saying the Bible is true and we do not cease to exist after death.

They say modern Science is giving the correct interpretation of the Bible and the Christians are interpreting it wrong.

They point out the things they interpret wrong about the Bible and Jesus' teachings.

They will do this for a while to reach the people of the world in hopes they will believe the new age christianity is the correct interpretation of the Bible.

When they do it long enough then the New Age Christ will negotiate peace in the Middle East resulting in a 7 years peace treaty and he will push the agenda of the new age christianity which he will think to change times and laws.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The antichrist will come from the people who overthrew Jerusalem which is the Roman Empire which at that time will be the Europeans, Caucasians in unison.

The 7 years peace treaty between Israel and Arabs will be a peace treaty for the world for the nations divided themselves choosing sides.

But is all a set up for they made sure they had leaders in all the nations governments that wanted a one world government.

WW1, League of Nations, WW2, United Nations, a set up to get the nations governments to start cooperating for peace on earth.

The Ukraine war a set up designed to get the people of the world to accept a one world government.

When the beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon it means in spirit which the Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but her ways are still on earth.

Which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is all about.

The beast has 10 horns which is the physical dominion which come from the Roman Empire which they sucked the world in to their plan the new age christianity.

Since the Roman Empire has the dominion the New Age Christ, antichrist, little horn, man of sin, and general all purpose idiot will be Caucasian.

Who drew the map of the Roman Empire? I'd like to know, because the Roman Empire was ruling over Israel when Jesus. was alive.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ The "144,000" will INDEED come to "believe" (have faith in Jesus Christ/Messiah), but that will occur FOLLOWING "our Rapture".

In fact, that is a primary PURPOSE OF "our Rapture"... as a PRIMARY IMPETUS bringing those of Israel (on a wider scale) to faith in Christ (within the specific, future, LIMITED time-period [7 yrs] leading up to Christ's Second Coming to the earth). HALLELUJAH!

And it is THESE (of Israel) who will be DOING the "INVITING" TO their "promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age" [aka "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER," aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS [on the earth]," commencing upon His "RETURN" *THERE* [TO THE EARTH])

 

[Publican]

Those who make accusations of hate seem to feel very entitled to make them.
It is a liberal tactic, to accuse of hate when someone is offended by a statement, so I wonder if they are liberals.

I doubt that liberals have the markets cornered in regard to lunacy or debauchery, but they did have a good head start.

 

[BOY]

^ The "144,000" will INDEED come to "believe" (have faith in Jesus Christ/Messiah), but that will occur FOLLOWING "our Rapture".

In fact, that is a primary PURPOSE OF "our Rapture"... as a PRIMARY IMPETUS bringing those of Israel (on a wider scale) to faith in Christ (within the specific, future, LIMITED time-period [7 yrs] leading up to Christ's Second Coming to the earth). HALLELUJAH!

And it is THESE (of Israel) who will be DOING the "INVITING" TO their "promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age" [aka "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER," aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS [on the earth]," commencing upon His "RETURN" *THERE* [TO THE EARTH])

Please that's all-ready being debunked. The pretrib rapture is just wishful thinking And has been debunked. Let's get down to the truth. and leave these fallacies behind.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Please that's all-ready being debunked.

I haven't seen you, or anyone, "debunk" this (the "144,000" are indeed YET FUTURE to us).



On another note, what do you believe Jesus meant, when He said this to "the 12" -

--(Matthew 19:28) Mat 19:28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory [see Matthew 25:31-34 (quoted below) for its TIMING (and location)], ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

[the "12 tribes of Israel," by the way, that you (and Covenant Theology) are suggesting ARE NO LONGER pertinent in God's scheme of things]



Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom having been prepared for you from [apo] the foundation of the world:

[note, here it is "FROM [APO] the foundation of the world"; whereas elsewhere, certain passages (DISTINCTLY) say, of OTHER THINGS, "BEFORE [PRO] the foundation of the world"--NOT the SAME matters!]



--Question (regarding this Matt25 passage) - Do you think Jesus was saying the SAME THING HERE (when He tells the "Sheep," - Come, ye BLESSED of My Father, inherit the kingdom HAVING BEEN PREPARED for you FROM the foundation of the world") [is that the same] as when He said, "I *GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." ?


IOW, do you notice ANY DISTINCTION WHATSOVER between these ^ two sentences (Jesus' words)?




[Full disclosure...] I do!





The two sentences are NOT conveying THE SAME IDEA. There are definite DISTINCTIONS between them, and cannot "mean" the SAME thing.

The pretrib rapture is just wishful thinking And has been debunked. Let's get down to the truth. and leave these fallacies behind.

 

[BOY]

I haven't seen you, or anyone, "debunk" this (the "144,000" are indeed YET FUTURE to us).



On another note, what do you believe Jesus meant, when He said this to "the 12" -

--(Matthew 19:28) Mat 19:28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory [see Matthew 25:31-34 (quoted below) for its TIMING (and location)], ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

[the "12 tribes of Israel," by the way, that you (and Covenant Theology) are suggesting ARE NO LONGER pertinent in God's scheme of things]



Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom having been prepared for you from [apo] the foundation of the world:

[note, here it is "FROM [APO] the foundation of the world"; whereas elsewhere, certain passages (DISTINCTLY) say, of OTHER THINGS, "BEFORE [PRO] the foundation of the world"--NOT the SAME matters!]



--Question (regarding this Matt25 passage) - Do you think Jesus was saying the SAME THING HERE (when He tells the "Sheep," - Come, ye BLESSED of My Father, inherit the kingdom HAVING BEEN PREPARED for you FROM the foundation of the world") [is that the same] as when He said, "I *GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." ?


IOW, do you notice ANY DISTINCTION WHATSOVER between these ^ two sentences (Jesus' words)?




[Full disclosure...] I do!





The two sentences are NOT conveying THE SAME IDEA. There are definite DISTINCTIONS between them, and cannot "mean" the SAME thing.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not trying to debunk the 144,000. The 144,000 are Christians. Grafted into the 12 tribes as there's nowhere else to graft us into.
I just debunked the theory of Paul only talking to the Jews. When Paul talks to one, he talks to all, because we are all the people of God and what's good enough for the Jew is good enough for the Greek.

 

[daisyseesthesun]

That is such a racist comment.

Boy, I'm not sure how you can say it's racist? By the way Boy how long have you been a christian? what's you favourite bible verse? Mines Hosea 14:8 and Isaiah 45:19

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I'm not trying to debunk the 144,000. The 144,000 are Christians. Grafted into the 12 tribes as there's nowhere else to graft us into.

I do not agree that the "Olive Tree" is [/means] "the 12 Tribes" (that Gentiles are "grafted into") per Romans 11:13-24 or thereabouts.


(I provided a link yesterday [I think], covering the "Olive Tree" [Rom11] and what it represents instead... for any reader that's interested.)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I don't know what you're talking about.

I've gathered that... no offense.

I just debunked the theory of Paul only talking to the Jews [re: Rom2:29]. When Paul talks to one, he talks to all, because we are all the people of God and what's good enough for the Jew is good enough for the Greek.

Where did I say such a thing.

You do realize it's possible for Paul to "talk ABOUT the Jews [/a Jew]," right? (while talking to both Jews and Gentiles [or even to "the Church"]).








It'd be like this:

I point out the verse Eph5:24's saying: "Therefore as the church is subject [G5293] unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing." and then having you come back with a reply (having zero to do with what Paul is ADDRESSING *HERE*) and saying, "God TELLS US that a husband MUST BE *older than* the wife [he's going to select], BECAUSE 1Pet5:5a SAYS 'Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves [G5293 - SAME GRK WORD AS ABOVE ^ ] unto the elder.' Therefore this PROVES that God only sanctions marriages where the HUSBAND is *elder/older* THAN the wife... coz it uses the SAME "G5293" word here!"


Um, that would be to BUTCHER these two passages.


And it would be like a SECOND comment... as though one would also respond by saying, "well, it's obviously TRUE that Eph5:24 IS ACTUALLY SAYING, 'HUSBANDS be subject [G5293] to your own WIVES,' since Paul elsewhere SAYS 'there is neither MALE nor FEMALE [in Christ]' Gal 3:28 ... so this PROVES such a point!"
Uh, nope.



[this is what I think our discussion about the words in Romans 2:29 is like... what I said, is NOTHING LIKE how you read me to be saying of it. lol]

 

[BOY]

I do not agree that the "Olive Tree" is [/means] "the 12 Tribes" (that Gentiles are "grafted into") per Romans 11:13-24 or thereabouts.


(I provided a link yesterday [I think], covering the "Olive Tree" [Rom11] and what it represents instead... for any reader that's interested.)

I think I stuck something on the wrong post.

 

[daisyseesthesun]

I've gathered that... no offense.



Where did I say such a thing.

You do realize it's possible for Paul to "talk ABOUT the Jews [/a Jew]," right? (while talking to both Jews and Gentiles [or even to "the Church"]).








It'd be like this:

I point out the verse Eph5:24's saying: "Therefore as the church is subject [G5293] unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing." and then having you come back with a reply (having zero to do with what Paul is ADDRESSING *HERE*) and saying, "God TELLS US that a husband MUST BE *older than* the wife [he's going to select], BECAUSE 1Pet5:5a SAYS 'Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves [G5293 - SAME GRK WORD AS ABOVE ^ ] unto the elder.' Therefore this PROVES that God only sanctions marriages where the HUSBAND is *elder/older* THAN the wife... coz it uses the SAME "G5293" word here!"


Um, that would be to BUTCHER these two passages.


And it would be like a SECOND comment... as though one would also respond by saying, "well, it's obviously TRUE that Eph5:24 IS ACTUALLY SAYING, 'HUSBANDS be subject [G5293] to your own WIVES,' since Paul elsewhere SAYS 'there is neither MALE nor FEMALE [in Christ]' Galatians 3:28... so this PROVES such a point!"
Uh, nope.



[this is what I think our discussion about the words in Romans 2:29 is like... what I said, is NOTHING LIKE how you read me to be saying of it. lol]

TheDivineWatermark,

frankly i am unsure if he is Christian or not he has a quick temper but God only knows maybe hes a new Christian or this may be his second language and hes not understanding what your pointing out.

 

[BOY]

Sorry, but it sounds to me like you're saying you don't need Jesus to be saved. if the 144,000. are Jews of the flesh. and not Jews of the spirit. Then you don't need Jesus to be saved. And Jesus said no man comes to the father by me

God doesn't bless disobedience and the disobedience is the Jews rejecting Jesus as their saviour, as their Messiah.
Thus, the 144,000 are saved Jews of the spirit circumcised in heart. Otherwise, you don't need Jesus to be saved, and God blesses disobedience.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ The "144,000 servants of our God" (Rev7:4) will indeed become saved... in the *future* Tribulation Period... FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (that is when they will exist in their "role" as described in Rev)

 

[BOY]

TheDivineWatermark,

frankly i am unsure if he is Christian or not he has a quick temper but God only knows maybe hes a new Christian or this may be his second language and hes not understanding what your pointing out.

You put a smile on my face.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

TheDivineWatermark,

frankly i am unsure if he is Christian or not he has a quick temper but God only knows maybe hes a new Christian or this may be his second language and hes not understanding what your pointing out.

Yes, I recognize that. I'm just endeavoring to help all I can. As I'm sure you are as well. Thank you for your post.