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i'm reminded of this --
which reminds me that Adam was not deceived ((1 Timothy 2:14)). so in the garden there was the transgression of Woman, being deceived, and Adam, not being deceived. two different 'likenesses' -- and it was through Adam sin entered the world ((Romans 5:12)) not through Woman. what's going on in Romans 5:14? there are those who sin in the way of Adam's transgression, not deceived, and those who do not sin in the way of Adam -- as Woman, deceived?
John tells us that if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves -- so the one who says he has no sin, that's not 'after the transgression of Adam' because that's deceived, unlike Adam: and death reigned over them as well [/QUOTE]
From the scripture, we come to know
1. the original sin-- which Adam committed that brought death to the world , from Adam to Moses (Romans 5:14)
2. actual sin --- which makes us individually or personally accountable for our deeds. (Ezekiel 18:20; The soul that sins shall die. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.)
3. the original sin notwithstanding, there were people that did not die. We can say they rose above the original sin e.g Enoch/Elijah.
4/ there were also people that were noted to be righteous despite the original sin. to be righteous is different from being perfect
5. There are people who did not sin in the way of Adam and still died e.g Children who died before reaching the age of reason.
The sin of Adam/Eve is the sin of unbelief/disobedience./lack of trust in God/ignorance. The same manner of sin is witnessed in the heart of man from Adam even upto our time. Man continues to nurture the sin consciousness and continues to die as a result.
I do not know what you mean by two likenesses. In literal interpretation, we can say Adam was not directly deceived but was equally responsible because he also ate the forbidden fruit. He was the person in charge and failed in his duty. For me I do not fancy the literal sense much for there is a deeper interpretation which brings out the interplay of the male and female qualities of God in us "named" Adam and Eve, which will be too long to explain in this post. Why do you think Eve was tempted instead of Adam? Why was Adam silent while he was with Eve during the time of temptation?
In brief , when I said I am God's image and likeness and not dust, I recognise that I have the nature of God and God is my substance or essence for in him we live and move and have our being. (Acts 17 : 28). There are no two likenesses.
Yes John says so which is correct. Paul equally tells us that under the law, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. What else do the scripture say?, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:16 -17). Lets digress a bit
Paul says that for until the law, sin was in the world but sin is not imputed where there is no law ( Romans 5 :13. }
There are two notable laws God gave from Genesis to Moses.
1. the one he gave to Adam in the garden of Eden which Adam failed to obey. His sin was imputed to mankind and man died as a result. Though people continued to sin after the fall, nobody"s sin was further imputed to anyone. Everybody bore the responsibility of their own actual sins.
2. The law given to Moses at mount Sinai. Under this law, Paul recorded that all sinned and come short of the glory of God. But God, this time, for the love of his children, for he does not take pleasure in the death of anyone (Ezekiel 18:32), manifested himself in the flesh (Timothy 3:15) in the person of Christ Jesus who carried our sins and nailed them on the cross. (Imputing our sins unto himself)
Paul noted, as we died and were buried with him, our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. For in that he died he died unto sin once but in that he lives, he lives unto God, Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body that you should obey it in the lusts thereof.(Romans 6)
Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin but yield yourselves unto God as those that are alive from the dead and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law but under grace. Studying the whole of Paul's letter to the Romans will help us appreciate this fact more.
Christ Jesus took our sins away and imputes his righteousness unto us as he rose from the death.(Romans 5). We can now live without sin for sin has no more dominion over us as it had when we were under the law. As I said before, in the same way we have nurtured the seed of Adam in the past, following Adam's footsteps as regards sin, we are required to nurture and grow this seed of righteousness that yields the fruits of godliness unto holiness and eternal life. We must likewise follow the footsteps of Jesus to remain righteous and holy. (1 John 2:6). But what happens, we continue to sin as if we are still under the law and therefore we continue to die.
Christ Jesus has made it possible for us to live above sin in this world. But we have refused to do so, therefore, his second coming is eminent for the reaping. Tell me, what else do we want God our father to do for us.? What manner of love has he not shown towards us? Today we still perish for lack of knowledge despite the understanding our Lord Jesus Christ have declared unto us. From Genesis till date, we see his light and love being showered on mankind to the extent of allowing his only begotten Son to die for us. That notwithstanding, we continue to sin and he continues to forebear and suffer long with us. Habaa!!.
Since we have continued to sin as St John noted, It is important to repent of our sins with a true heart and embrace Christ Jesus for God searches the heart, not appearances and continue to walk in the understanding and truth he gave us as well as in his footsteps as he has physically exemplified the way for us.
i'm reminded of this --
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
(Romans 5:14)
so there's an obvious question; what does it mean, to sin 'in the way of Adam' ? which reminds me that Adam was not deceived ((1 Timothy 2:14)). so in the garden there was the transgression of Woman, being deceived, and Adam, not being deceived. two different 'likenesses' -- and it was through Adam sin entered the world ((Romans 5:12)) not through Woman. what's going on in Romans 5:14? there are those who sin in the way of Adam's transgression, not deceived, and those who do not sin in the way of Adam -- as Woman, deceived?
John tells us that if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves -- so the one who says he has no sin, that's not 'after the transgression of Adam' because that's deceived, unlike Adam: and death reigned over them as well [/QUOTE]
From the scripture, we come to know
1. the original sin-- which Adam committed that brought death to the world , from Adam to Moses (Romans 5:14)
2. actual sin --- which makes us individually or personally accountable for our deeds. (Ezekiel 18:20; The soul that sins shall die. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.)
3. the original sin notwithstanding, there were people that did not die. We can say they rose above the original sin e.g Enoch/Elijah.
4/ there were also people that were noted to be righteous despite the original sin. to be righteous is different from being perfect
5. There are people who did not sin in the way of Adam and still died e.g Children who died before reaching the age of reason.
The sin of Adam/Eve is the sin of unbelief/disobedience./lack of trust in God/ignorance. The same manner of sin is witnessed in the heart of man from Adam even upto our time. Man continues to nurture the sin consciousness and continues to die as a result.
I do not know what you mean by two likenesses. In literal interpretation, we can say Adam was not directly deceived but was equally responsible because he also ate the forbidden fruit. He was the person in charge and failed in his duty. For me I do not fancy the literal sense much for there is a deeper interpretation which brings out the interplay of the male and female qualities of God in us "named" Adam and Eve, which will be too long to explain in this post. Why do you think Eve was tempted instead of Adam? Why was Adam silent while he was with Eve during the time of temptation?
In brief , when I said I am God's image and likeness and not dust, I recognise that I have the nature of God and God is my substance or essence for in him we live and move and have our being. (Acts 17 : 28). There are no two likenesses.
Yes John says so which is correct. Paul equally tells us that under the law, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. What else do the scripture say?, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:16 -17). Lets digress a bit
Paul says that for until the law, sin was in the world but sin is not imputed where there is no law ( Romans 5 :13. }
There are two notable laws God gave from Genesis to Moses.
1. the one he gave to Adam in the garden of Eden which Adam failed to obey. His sin was imputed to mankind and man died as a result. Though people continued to sin after the fall, nobody"s sin was further imputed to anyone. Everybody bore the responsibility of their own actual sins.
2. The law given to Moses at mount Sinai. Under this law, Paul recorded that all sinned and come short of the glory of God. But God, this time, for the love of his children, for he does not take pleasure in the death of anyone (Ezekiel 18:32), manifested himself in the flesh (Timothy 3:15) in the person of Christ Jesus who carried our sins and nailed them on the cross. (Imputing our sins unto himself)
Paul noted, as we died and were buried with him, our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. For in that he died he died unto sin once but in that he lives, he lives unto God, Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body that you should obey it in the lusts thereof.(Romans 6)
Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin but yield yourselves unto God as those that are alive from the dead and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law but under grace. Studying the whole of Paul's letter to the Romans will help us appreciate this fact more.
Christ Jesus took our sins away and imputes his righteousness unto us as he rose from the death.(Romans 5). We can now live without sin for sin has no more dominion over us as it had when we were under the law. As I said before, in the same way we have nurtured the seed of Adam in the past, following Adam's footsteps as regards sin, we are required to nurture and grow this seed of righteousness that yields the fruits of godliness unto holiness and eternal life. We must likewise follow the footsteps of Jesus to remain righteous and holy. (1 John 2:6). But what happens, we continue to sin as if we are still under the law and therefore we continue to die.
Christ Jesus has made it possible for us to live above sin in this world. But we have refused to do so, therefore, his second coming is eminent for the reaping. Tell me, what else do we want God our father to do for us.? What manner of love has he not shown towards us? Today we still perish for lack of knowledge despite the understanding our Lord Jesus Christ have declared unto us. From Genesis till date, we see his light and love being showered on mankind to the extent of allowing his only begotten Son to die for us. That notwithstanding, we continue to sin and he continues to forebear and suffer long with us. Habaa!!.
Since we have continued to sin as St John noted, It is important to repent of our sins with a true heart and embrace Christ Jesus for God searches the heart, not appearances and continue to walk in the understanding and truth he gave us as well as in his footsteps as he has physically exemplified the way for us.
