Native American Christianity

[Zmouth]

I am a Native man

Since man is said to have originated on earth from Africa, or as some say Mesopotamia, in either case it would mean that nobody originated from American therefore nobody is native to America, if one defines native as place of origin.

And if not mistaken, the inhabitants of the Americas asserted the right to the land by tribal strength and not by deed or landmark. So how can one who held that might makes right claim that the way the might overtook them was wrong seeing that it did not destroy them completely?

 

[LPT]

Since man is said to have originated on earth from Africa, or as some say Mesopotamia, in either case it would mean that nobody originated from American therefore nobody is native to America, if one defines native as place of origin.

And if not mistaken, the inhabitants of the Americas asserted the right to the land by tribal strength and not by deed or landmark. So how can one who held that might makes right claim that the way the might overtook them was wrong seeing that it did not destroy them completely?

Indeed man came to the America's by a land bridge that was once there but sea levels rose and closed it off, oddly enough giraffe's didn't come from Africa but North America and parts of Asia that migrated to Africa.

 

[Didymous]

D....,

I share great remorse for the Native american.

But, I take exception to your inference that the Christian basis concluded that the...white man...was in any form ....superior. I don't find that conclusion in studies of early american history.

Perhaps you can guide us to that which you used to reach your conclusion.

Have comfort in the fact that G-d loves all humans.

If you would like to know where that came from, Preston, talk to tribal elders. Most Native history-what actually happened-isn't in history books.

 

[Didymous]

nothing wrong with that, this Native American Woman uses hand drums and others things.


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I'm glad you're of that mind, sir.

 

[LPT]

I'm glad you're of that mind, sir.

hmm interesting if I may can I ask you something what mind and heart do you think I'm at?

 

[Didymous]

All of that belongs to the Animistic belief system of Native Americans. It is essentially pagan, therefore not for believers. It involves communication with spirits, and these spirits are certainly not from God and the Holy Spirit.

Native Americans who are Christians should be the primary missionaries to their fellow Natives. And once people are saved and baptized, they must separate themselves from all of this. Just like Jews, Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists would have to separate themselves from their old religions.

You have no biblical basis for that opinion, sir. Im not sure where you got the idea that only Natives should be the main missionaries to Natives. I certainly don't see that as how the Bible taught us to share the gospel. If that were the case, only Jews would get saved. But please, feel feel to not go to other people and wirness. I get the impression you wouldn't want to anyway.

 

[Didymous]

just don't use the peyote lol jk...

I definitely agree with that, sir! I don't think anyone believes the NAC is Christian.

 

[LPT]

No doubt the tribes of America had their internal disputes that probably lead to even war against one another. but all and all I have great respect for Native Americans they took from the land only what they needed and give back to land as well. something very few country, nations or even other tribes around the world do and could learn from, But that's long gone the world is about one thing pretty much money and greed.

 

[Didymous]

Indeed man came to the America's by a land bridge that was once there but sea levels rose and closed it off, oddly enough giraffe's didn't come from Africa but North America and parts of Asia that migrated to Africa.

Vine Deloria Jr.(a Native anthropologist)showed very well that the "Bering Land Bridge" theory both was, and still is, an unproven theory.

 

[Didymous]

hmm interesting if I may can I ask you something what mind and heart do you think I'm at?

What I meant was you don't seem to be against the drum. Many Christian churches are, and have no biblical basis for such prejudice.

 

[LPT]

Vine Deloria Jr.(a Native anthropologist)showed very well that the "Bering Land Bridge" theory both was, and still is, an unproven theory.

Maybe but I believe in a global flood happened and current levels is were it drop to after the flood it all didn't go back into the ground, before that I believe people did travel to other places via land bridge were ever it was.

 

[Didymous]

Since man is said to have originated on earth from Africa, or as some say Mesopotamia, in either case it would mean that nobody originated from American therefore nobody is native to America, if one defines native as place of origin.

And if not mistaken, the inhabitants of the Americas asserted the right to the land by tribal strength and not by deed or landmark. So how can one who held that might makes right claim that the way the might overtook them was wrong seeing that it did not destroy them completely?

I never made any such claims, sir. I spoke of why Christianity is so hated, and strongly resisted, by Native Americans. Unless you seek to defend who misrepresented Christianity to Natives, I don't see your point.

 

[Gabriel2020]

CHRISTIANITY IS strongly resisted by all nations. Some believe, some don't. Your perspective and insight is off target.

 

[Didymous]

Hey you think you got problems. I’ve had people ask me if I’m Asian, Chinese,
Egyptians, Spanish, Italian, Moroccan, South American!

Im mixed race, mum was British white, father unknown but he gave me a nice sun tan.

I decided long ago I was going to be me and I’m seriously not bothered any more by
other people’s expectations or attempts to put me in a nicely labelled box.

Im just me and if anyone has a problem with that, they get ignored or worse still
”that stare” lol


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The "Stare" is a well known deadly weapon primarily possessed by women in my extended Native family that, if not fatal, certainly seems like it when directed at me!

 

[Didymous]

CHRISTIANITY IS strongly resisted by all nations. Some believe, some don't. Your perspective and insight is off target.

Yes, especially if misrepresented, by the dominant society, and to a lesser degree its descendants. Even more so, when the latter defends the former.

I believe your perspective and insight is not only off target, but insulting. No offense taken though.

 

[Gabriel2020]

They are no different than any other nation with their own cultures. When Jesus came, he did not bring culture, but instead salvation to all. He treats everybody the same. the rich, the poor, the weak ,the strong. There is not a gospel for each nation. The same one gospel for all. Holding grudges of past history will not get you into the kingdom of God.

 

[Didymous]

They are no different than any other nation with their own cultures. When Jesus came, he did not bring culture, but instead salvation to all. He treats everybody the same. the rich, the poor, the weak ,the strong. There is not a gospel for each nation. The same one gospel for all.

The gospel was never an issue here. That you choose to try and make what I shared what it was not is very telling, sir.

 

[Gabriel2020]

Without the true gospel of Jesus Christ, man remains in a very lost state of mind, which will cost him his soul in hell's fire. Jesus came to prove that we were all wrong about each other and towards each other.

 

[Deade]

Hello brother Didy, I have somewhat to say about your topics. Both my wives (of 36 years combined) were of the Cherokee Tribe. Talk about injustice, have you ever heard about the "Trail of Tears?" Look it up, it was a very infamous move by our government to relocate the Cherokees in the South. Many Native Americans didn't believe in land ownership, and therefore their customs were incompatible with the settlers.

No so with the Cherokee. They intermarried with the whites, homesteaded farmlands and basically blended right in with the populace. When the Indian Territory was established, many people resented the Cherokee's presence in the fertile South. Then came the land grab, that is all it was. They were forcibly removed with what they could cart off and their land was taken. It didn’t help that gold was discovered in Georgia about then.

They were marched from Georgia, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Alabama into holding camps in Tennessee. From there they were marched North through Kentucky into Southern Illinois right in the dead of winter. There is when most of the deaths occurred.

They started the march with 13,000 Cherokees and lost about 4,000 due to disease, starvation and frostbite. Many renown men of the day opposed Andrew Jackson’s plan to displace these people. I think a lot had to do with the fact that they intermarried with blacks. We know how most Southerners view that. Most of them had Anglo names by that time. They are known as one of the Five Civilized Tribes that had no real reason for their removal. They are still fighting this in the courtrooms today.

This same story happens again and again, when the white man wants what was given to the Indians. The Black Hills of South Dakota was given to the Sioux until gold was discovered there. I am ashamed that the people that perpetrated these atrocities called themselves Christians.

 

[pottersclay]

How are you doing d as a witness for Christ.....do they consider you a outcast???