My take on water baptism...
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They had a different reason. Not according to some idea that water baptism has its foundation in the new testament
John was the the last Levi as part of the old priesthood. John was used to transfer over the kingdom of priest to the gentiles through the Son of man, Jesus from the tribe of Judah. Our high priest.
The foundation of water baptism is found in the old testament. .Just as the tongues doctrine and others that some have made to no effect with the new testament innovation. Teaching getting wet somehow proves something other that they did get wet ..
Aaron Sons added a lying sign as a wonder called strange fire to the cerinimoinal shadow that looked ahead to be fulfilled in Jesus. They were consumed by the fire of God's judgment for trying to make it a personal sign of self edification .Not edifying the unseen God. Sign seekers called the evil generation (natural unconverted man)
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
The Pharisees rejected the new manner of priesthood .They insisted after the old manner Levites .Not the new. Jesus was of the tribe of Judah . The context in question John 3:25-26
There are absolutely no "sign gifts" I did it. . it proves something.
We walk by Christ' faith that not seen it works in us . Not after man made signs as lying wonders .This is to include being baptized as having a desire to become a priest in the new kingdom of priest after the order of Melchezedek . Reading the bible, going to church , making noises and calling it tongues.
John was the the last Levi as part of the old priesthood. John was used to transfer over the kingdom of priest to the gentiles through the Son of man, Jesus from the tribe of Judah. Our high priest.
The foundation of water baptism is found in the old testament. .Just as the tongues doctrine and others that some have made to no effect with the new testament innovation. Teaching getting wet somehow proves something other that they did get wet ..
Aaron Sons added a lying sign as a wonder called strange fire to the cerinimoinal shadow that looked ahead to be fulfilled in Jesus. They were consumed by the fire of God's judgment for trying to make it a personal sign of self edification .Not edifying the unseen God. Sign seekers called the evil generation (natural unconverted man)
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
The Pharisees rejected the new manner of priesthood .They insisted after the old manner Levites .Not the new. Jesus was of the tribe of Judah . The context in question John 3:25-26
There are absolutely no "sign gifts" I did it. . it proves something.
We walk by Christ' faith that not seen it works in us . Not after man made signs as lying wonders .This is to include being baptized as having a desire to become a priest in the new kingdom of priest after the order of Melchezedek . Reading the bible, going to church , making noises and calling it tongues.
This man Peterlag should be laughed out the building, he is embarrasing himself with this thread. He even quoted Acts 10 but somehow didnt notice the water word there? Its in all the translations is it not? This is just pure deception, not a mistake by any chance, but a deliberate deception
SHUT IT DOWN MODS! Before any NEW CHRISTIAN (whom I care greatly for) buys into his nonsense.
SHUT IT DOWN MODS! Before any NEW CHRISTIAN (whom I care greatly for) buys into his nonsense.
Oh Peter, there you go again....
Didn’t the Ethiopian eunuch ask Philip to WATER baptize him?
Didn’t the Ethiopian eunuch ask Philip to WATER baptize him?
It would seem that the Ethiopian eunuch had a desire to become a priest in the new kingdom of priest. Like Philip according to the foundation found in the old testament.
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yes he quoted Acts 10:48 in the post i replied to, saying "no water" -- conveniently leaving out Acts 10:47, which in fact specifically mentions water.
i find it odd that no had one called him out on it 3 or 4 pages later - tho @tourist & @Lafftur both pointed out Phillip & the eunuch, which hadn't occurred to me.
not sure that's an honest mistake or a deliberate one. i know that i sometimes miss pretty obvious things when i'm carried away with an idea. we'll see how @Peterlag responds
i find it odd that no had one called him out on it 3 or 4 pages later - tho @tourist & @Lafftur both pointed out Phillip & the eunuch, which hadn't occurred to me.
not sure that's an honest mistake or a deliberate one. i know that i sometimes miss pretty obvious things when i'm carried away with an idea. we'll see how @Peterlag responds
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We I would offer must look to the foundation of doctrines
Levi's were designed to represent the believers as priest in anticipation of the coming of the Son of man, Jesus from the tribe of Judah the new order
Moses was used to represent our heavenly father (not seen) God. Using Aaron as a prophet/ apostle like that of Jesus . Putting words in his mouth
The same pattern as a parable using the Son of man, Jesus. The prophet/ apostle and High Priest who did the will of another. as the father not seen gave him words .
Exodus 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
Exodus 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Levi's were designed to represent the believers as priest in anticipation of the coming of the Son of man, Jesus from the tribe of Judah the new order
Moses was used to represent our heavenly father (not seen) God. Using Aaron as a prophet/ apostle like that of Jesus . Putting words in his mouth
The same pattern as a parable using the Son of man, Jesus. The prophet/ apostle and High Priest who did the will of another. as the father not seen gave him words .
Exodus 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
Exodus 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
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while it is true that these two form a typology of the Father and the Son that we see in Jesus, i want to be careful to say that Christ is more than a representative of Aaron, a prophet -- for He is Himself both LORD and prophet, in type Moses & Aaron combined; He is both priest and lawgiver, offering Himself and giving 'a new commandment' and 'new covenant' -- speaking as one with authority of His own, not saying 'thus saith the LORD' but "I say unto you" and calling them "My commandments"
-- it is Moses who said, speaking of the Messiah, that 'one like me' would come, not 'one like Aaron'
-- it is Moses who said, speaking of the Messiah, that 'one like me' would come, not 'one like Aaron'
The key is found in the verse that is missing in many Bible translations
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Note that the belief that came, before water baptism was done, was based on believing Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is the foundation of the gospel of the kingdom (John 20:30-31, Mark 16:16).
There was no need for any of them to believe that "Jesus died for my sins and rose again on the 3rd day for my justification" (1 Cor 15:1-4, Romans 4:24-25) which is the foundation of our gospel of grace that is valid for us today.
That is good enough indication to me that, while water baptism was certainly necessary for salvation during the 4 gospels and early Acts, it is no longer necessary under the gospel of grace committed to the apostle Paul for us gentiles (1 Corithians 1:17).
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Note that the belief that came, before water baptism was done, was based on believing Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is the foundation of the gospel of the kingdom (John 20:30-31, Mark 16:16).
There was no need for any of them to believe that "Jesus died for my sins and rose again on the 3rd day for my justification" (1 Cor 15:1-4, Romans 4:24-25) which is the foundation of our gospel of grace that is valid for us today.
That is good enough indication to me that, while water baptism was certainly necessary for salvation during the 4 gospels and early Acts, it is no longer necessary under the gospel of grace committed to the apostle Paul for us gentiles (1 Corithians 1:17).
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
The word water is their it indicate The un
while it is true that these two form a typology of the Father and the Son that we see in Jesus, i want to be careful to say that Christ is more than a representative of Aaron, a prophet -- for He is Himself both LORD and prophet, in type Moses & Aaron combined; He is both priest and lawgiver, offering Himself and giving 'a new commandment' and 'new covenant' -- speaking as one with authority of His own, not saying 'thus saith the LORD' but "I say unto you" and calling them "My commandments"
-- it is Moses who said, speaking of the Messiah, that 'one like me' would come, not 'one like Aaron'
-- it is Moses who said, speaking of the Messiah, that 'one like me' would come, not 'one like Aaron'
Moses represented the unseen Lord .The Lord having to power to heal and rebuke the spirit of the anti-christ . . Satan .
Jesus the son of man like Aaron had no power coming from a body of corruption .
A good example in shown in Mathew 16 .Peter having fell by false pride was used as a false apostle who rebuked the Son of man Jesus, the high priest. signified as Aaron .
Jesus the apostle who did not do the will of the flesh was given words from the father just as Moses gave words to Aaron. Our Father not seen saying to Peter in respect to the the father of lies .Satan get behind me not seen and not Peter the man of sin, seen . Jesus knew no sin.
The Lord rebuked the devil and reinstated Peter who blasphemed the the Son of man .He was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man seen. Blasphemy will not be forgiven against our Father in heaven not seen. the 33 year window closed when Jesus disappeared out of sight .
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Yes believers are given a desire to become a member of the priesthood of believers like the Ethiopian eunuch . Aarons sons added strange fire "(unauthorized) as a personal way of edifying themselves and not God, not seen
Not a self edifying "sign gift" (I did it) we walk by faith the eternal not seen mixing it with the things seen the temporal .
Not a self edifying "sign gift" (I did it) we walk by faith the eternal not seen mixing it with the things seen the temporal .
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To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ includes the message about Jesus which they preached. It included the message that He was the saviour of the world, and that is what they had to beleive. They baptized in water because it was commanded by Jesus and we are still doing it. The faith that we have is what we are confessing when we are baptized. The outward confession is needed for us. It is crucial to getting most people to be serious about their new commitment. One of the most glaring needs for reformation in many churches today is to return to the urgent command to be baptized. We can offer this and preach this without teaching that the act of baptism is what saves us taking away from the faith part. We can preach faith and include baptism like they did it then and see the benefits of conversions that last because of the reason for baptism and why it was commanded. God has a plan and it works, if you don't understand it, just roll with it anyway and you will understand it eventually.
There is a special place in hell for those that teach that we do not need to be baptized today. Better that they had never been born.
There is a special place in hell for those that teach that we do not need to be baptized today. Better that they had never been born.
What do we do with the foundation of water baptizing in respect to the personal desire to become a member of the priesthood of believers ?Does that fit the same criterion of those that teach that we do not need to be baptized after the foundation today. Better that they had never been born?
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What does esoteric mean? Would it have something to do with parables having the meaning hid from the lost
Bad ? I think you a sign and wonder seeker are bad to the bone. Like Arnold I be back LOL
Bad stuff ? Walking by faith the unseen understanding hid in those kind of parables ? . I think the Ethiopian eunuch was given a desire as a ceremonial law to be like his new brother in the lord, Philipp. One who preached the good news as a member of the priesthood of believers founded in the old testament . Just like Jesus from the tribe of Judah and then he to could baptize welcoming new believer as a kingdoms of priest. Philipp baptized the Ethiopian eunuch so that he to could baptize new members.
Like the tongues doctrine making a noise without meaning causes nothing other than a person to wonder (no faith needed for that ) .Nothing proves nothing.
Bad ? I think you a sign and wonder seeker are bad to the bone. Like Arnold I be back LOL
Bad stuff ? Walking by faith the unseen understanding hid in those kind of parables ? . I think the Ethiopian eunuch was given a desire as a ceremonial law to be like his new brother in the lord, Philipp. One who preached the good news as a member of the priesthood of believers founded in the old testament . Just like Jesus from the tribe of Judah and then he to could baptize welcoming new believer as a kingdoms of priest. Philipp baptized the Ethiopian eunuch so that he to could baptize new members.
Like the tongues doctrine making a noise without meaning causes nothing other than a person to wonder (no faith needed for that ) .Nothing proves nothing.
that's not entirely true
i may disagree with Garee on some points, and at times i find it hard to see what he's trying to say - but in the case of the post you are referring to i think i understand him perfectly well. there is an analogous relationship between our baptism and the washings prescribed in the law for priests to be declared clean for service, and pursuing that analogy, what would someone under Moses say about a Levite who refused the ashes of the red heifer after he had been in contact with a corpse? even in that case, is it the water & ash that makes a Levite clean, or the good conscience of obedience?
i may disagree with Garee on some points, and at times i find it hard to see what he's trying to say - but in the case of the post you are referring to i think i understand him perfectly well. there is an analogous relationship between our baptism and the washings prescribed in the law for priests to be declared clean for service, and pursuing that analogy, what would someone under Moses say about a Levite who refused the ashes of the red heifer after he had been in contact with a corpse? even in that case, is it the water & ash that makes a Levite clean, or the good conscience of obedience?
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