More Errors?

[Gideon300]

No. I am not seeking to find fault with our Powerful, Almighty God. All I am doing is studying the Bible and attempting to understand 100% of it. I am writing a commentary (for myself) on the entire Bible. I study the Bible in a timeline, chronological order so that I can Truly understand it as an actual story. After I wrote of David being under the Mind Control of the Lord in 2 Samuel, and then began to study the companion chapter in 1 Chronicles, I found what appears to be discrepancies. I consider myself to be a "reporter" of the Bible. I simply report my findings, and to date, I am reporting things that I've never heard before . . . which bothers me. Our pastors should be reporting the same things that I am reporting . . . they are not.

I'm glad that you are not referring to me as a fool, for you would have clearly made yourself my enemy and was thus about to Bless you beyond imagination.

I have an active mind and I was reading an encyclopaedia while my peers were reading Micky Mouse comics. I'm not especially intelligent, I just have great curiosity. It helps that my mother taught me to read when I was three.

Bible study was difficult for one who wants to know everything. Staying on track was hard. I'd read a verse, look up the cross references then be off wherever they led me. It took a few years, but I discovered eventually that there were limits to my own understanding. God is just too big for me. Before I was saved, I could not read the Bible. After I was born again, I could hardly leave it alone. I'm more balanced now.

I found that there are many apparent contradictions and discrepancies. However, I also saw that God is not the author of confusion. The problem is in the inability of humanity to think like God. As far as preachers going over the discrepancies, I think that they have a much more important task. Preachers and teachers should be focusing on who Christ is, who we are in Him and who He is in us. There are books that explain apparent contradictions in the Bible. I've not read them. I'm ok with trusting God that He has it all worked out.

One thing you should know. God is not into mind control. God is Spirit. He gave us free will. He does not control us. That's Satan's way. Should we accept the Lordship of Christ, and every Christian should, then we should be controlled by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit reveals God's will in our born again spirit, not directly to the mind. Watchman Nee's "The Spiritual Man" is most helpful on this subject.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I hope you don't take it personally when people correct your errors of interpretation.

What is my "interpretation?" What I have done is copy and paste and have humbly come to you "people" for support. It is you "people" who are mistranslating me.

A person can't hardly make this stuff up.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Just so you know, im taught in manuscript evidence, and can teach it.
I can explain to you why Martin Luther left the Catholic Church, based on Jerome's mistranslation of the Koine Greek into the Latin Vulgate corruption that produced the Catholic Douay Rheims "bible" that is a satanic masterpiece.
I can tell you about the "Satanic Bible". I can tell you about the "Queen James (homosexual) bible.
If you want to talk about Origen's Hexapla, we can go there.
I can tell you why there are 30 "extant" greek texts, (full new testaments in Koine Greek) yet, "scholarship" decided that about 3 can be used to make Bibles,

I can explain to you why in the the end of the "time of the Gentiles", (right now)..... the English is the bible and the Koine Greek Texts, are not.
I can discover for you the reason that there is no "original greek" texts, and when someone says...>'the original greek here, says"......that they are lying to you.

And all this knowledge is wasted because nobody cares what you know when you act like a blockhead.
Anybody that spends any significant time studying the bible knows that there are things that appear to be errors, so it shouldn't surprise you when somebody thinks there are errors. Nobody needed you to "call out" anyone or anything.

 

[pottersclay]

Second Samuel 24 24 . . . N K J V: – “Then the king said to Araunah, "No, but I will surely buy it from you for a price; nor will I offer burnt offerings to the LORD my God with that which costs me nothing." So David bought the threshing floor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver.”

First Chronicles 21 24-25 . . . N K J V: – “Then King David said to Ornan, "No, but I will surely buy it for the full price, for I will not take what is yours for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings with that which costs me nothing." So David gave Ornan six hundred shekels of gold by weight for the place.”

here is a possible reason for this seemingly error.

david bought the threshing floor and oxen for what was consider a fair price.
But in order to build the temple the area was to small for the temple therefore david in order to do all that was required was forced to buy the surrounding property which was not for sale and possible cost him a premium price.
. A fair price for david but a costly price for a king.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I have an active mind and I was reading an encyclopaedia while my peers were reading Micky Mouse comics. I'm not especially intelligent, I just have great curiosity. It helps that my mother taught me to read when I was three.

Bible study was difficult for one who wants to know everything. Staying on track was hard. I'd read a verse, look up the cross references then be off wherever they led me. It took a few years, but I discovered eventually that there were limits to my own understanding. God is just too big for me. Before I was saved, I could not read the Bible. After I was born again, I could hardly leave it alone. I'm more balanced now.

I found that there are many apparent contradictions and discrepancies. However, I also saw that God is not the author of confusion. The problem is in the inability of humanity to think like God. As far as preachers going over the discrepancies, I think that they have a much more important task. Preachers and teachers should be focusing on who Christ is, who we are in Him and who He is in us. There are books that explain apparent contradictions in the Bible. I've not read them. I'm ok with trusting God that He has it all worked out.

One thing you should know. God is not into mind control. God is Spirit. He gave us free will. He does not control us. That's Satan's way. Should we accept the Lordship of Christ, and every Christian should, then we should be controlled by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit reveals God's will in our born again spirit, not directly to the mind. Watchman Nee's "The Spiritual Man" is most helpful on this subject.

Your post was relatively warmhearted . . . until the final paragraph. Do you realize what you just wrote? You said that God does not control our minds, but then turn right around, one sentence later, and state that we should be controlled by the Holy Spirit.

Unbelievable.

"God is not into mind control."
" . . . we should be controlled by the Holy Spirit."

Do you not see a problem with what you've written? And lately, the Old Testament REVOLVES around God controlling the thoughts of "men." How can you miss this? I could provide perhaps 200+ examples of God controlling the minds of humans . . . even animals at times. Controlling people is exactly how God shows His Almighty Power all throughout the OT. It is nearly impossible to miss, yet the majority of "christians" have done just that. In fact, they are utterly clueless as to the Almighty, Mysterious Plan of God. The fact that the Plan is a Mystery, as Paul put it, should be a clear indicator that something . . . SOMETHING is taking place and that we ought to get it figured out. And what's more, Paul told us of this Mystery, yet the modern-day "Christian" remains completely blind to it.

Look. You're not stupid. A part of me likes you. But you have closed yourself off to me, just as the majority, here. Don't be afraid of hearing things you've never heard of before, but instead, be open to at least considering them. For, this is one of the Holy Marks of a person who has been processed by the Right Hand of God . . . the Right Hand that Purifies and grants Salvation.

I would really like it if you and I could have mature conversation, but that cannot and absolutely will not happen until you drop this idea that you need to constantly teach, instruct, correct, and rebuke. I am not here to do anything of those things but do my best (and sometimes fail) to have and hold mature conversations so that the lost world will know that we are different. My desire is to show the world that we as True Christians get along, that we Love and care about each other. And I do Love and care for each person here, including those on my Block list. Having been recently diagnosed with cancer, I long not for controversy, but for Holy Peace and Harmony. How do we do this? Stop with this idea that we know everything there is to know about God's Holy Word and to open our ears to the thoughts and ideas of others. Is it really that difficult?

This place makes it seem like that in order to be kind, a person must have a four-year degree in order to achieve it. It's very, very boring . . . not to mention unimpressive.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

And all this knowledge is wasted because nobody cares what you know when you act like a blockhead.
Anybody that spends any significant time studying the bible knows that there are things that appear to be errors, so it shouldn't surprise you when somebody thinks there are errors. Nobody needed you to "call out" anyone or anything.

Exactly. I have no idea if these things are errors or not, but I thought it wise to come to my beloved "brothers and sisters" for added discussion. I don't know much and just wanted some bloody help.

What I am most inclined to say is that the original manuscripts are correct, but we of today can't get things right. That said, this is why I am now studying the Tanakh, the Jewish translation of the Old Testament, and have found that the translation is essentially the same, but definitely supports the doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision more so than any Christian translation. If anyone alive could properly translate the original Hebrew, it isn't white "christians" of today, but would be my Blessed Jewish Brothers and Sisters. I trust their translation of the Old Testament more than I do "ours." And as said, they have not removed anything from the manuscripts, but in fact, we have. We have lopped out verses that are in the Tanakh that are not in Christian Bibles, and that is wretched.

I wish that all people would turn to the Jewish translation . . . it is absolutely incredible.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Second Samuel 24 24 . . . N K J V: – “Then the king said to Araunah, "No, but I will surely buy it from you for a price; nor will I offer burnt offerings to the LORD my God with that which costs me nothing." So David bought the threshing floor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver.”

First Chronicles 21 24-25 . . . N K J V: – “Then King David said to Ornan, "No, but I will surely buy it for the full price, for I will not take what is yours for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings with that which costs me nothing." So David gave Ornan six hundred shekels of gold by weight for the place.”

here is a possible reason for this seemingly error.

david bought the threshing floor and oxen for what was consider a fair price.
But in order to build the temple the area was to small for the temple therefore david in order to do all that was required was forced to buy the surrounding property which was not for sale and possible cost him a premium price.
. A fair price for david but a costly price for a king.

Thank you for this offering. I would say, though, that Ornan, aka Araunah, didn't want to charge David a penny. There is no need to purchase an entire field for what he was doing. If he purchased the property, I would think that we'd hear about it. That said, what you and another person have said regarding these things could absolutely be True.

Again, thank you, PC.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

By the way, I should add that someone, here at the forum, approved my thread. So it's obvious that it wasn't out of line in any way . . . shape . . . or form. Get over it.

 

[tourist]

His Thread's Title is "more ERRORS" ??????
This concludes that some have been found already.....and proven.

Actually, not. The thing is there is a question mark at the end of the word ERRORS. Now, if instead it was an exclamation mark you would be raising a valid concern. The thread title does not conclude anything in regards to errors having been found and proven. Regardless, you have a right to voice your opinion and raise your concerns as well.

 

[tourist]

I hope you don't take it personally when people correct your errors of interpretation. It's nothing personal and I love you or I wouldn't have said anything.

Perceived errors of interpretation. Nothing personal.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Perceived errors of interpretation. Nothing personal.

I'm a terrible person for seeking the help of these "people." I should never seek help again. lol

 

[Runningman]

Perceived errors of interpretation. Nothing personal.

It's an objective fact that there are no errors in God's word.

OPs thesis says there are errors in the Bible. I'm confident that it is not a matter of flawed perception on my part.

 

[tourist]

It's an objective fact that there are no errors in God's word.

OPs thesis says there are errors in the Bible. I'm confident that it is not a matter of flawed perception on my part.

The OP was pointing out what appeared to be errors. The point of the thread was to discuss whether or not this was so. I believe also that there is no errors in God's word, and that seemingly errors, inconsistencies, or contradictions can be explained using the entire bible as the context to reconcile any apparent discrepancies.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

OPs thesis says there are errors in the Bible.

Thesis? Where do you come up with this? I was seeking the help and guidance of alleged "christians."

Pathetic. You can't even properly represent your Christian Brother, who is alive and available for clarification . . . yet still do not understand. How can you properly represent the Bible when the authors are [not] available for clarification is amazing.

You are the latest addition to the "Goading List," aka, the Ignore List. I wish you well.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I believe also that there is no errors in God's word,

I only agree with you in terms of the original manuscripts. It is my opinion that if anything, it is our modern-day translations of today that are getting things wrong. We are not inspired by God, but our Patriarchs were.

 

[Runningman]

The OP was pointing out what appeared to be errors. The point of the thread was to discuss whether or not this was so.

That's your perception. I reread the OP and it doesn't frame the thesis as a hypothetical error.

 

[Runningman]

Thesis? Where do you come up with this? I was seeking the help and guidance of alleged "christians."

Pathetic. You can't even properly represent your Christian Brother, who is alive and available for clarification . . . yet still do not understand. How can you properly represent the Bible when the authors are [not] available for clarification is amazing.

You are the latest addition to the "Goading List," aka, the Ignore List. I wish you well.

And nothing of value was lost.

Good luck. God bless.

 

[tourist]

That's your perception. I reread the OP and it doesn't frame the thesis as a hypothetical error.

The example given of a possible error was quite interesting though - one account states the threshing floor was purchased for 50 shekels of silver and another account states the price was 600 shekels of gold. It would have been an interesting discussion in the thread to have members try to reconcile the differences with various scriptures or insights. Not only was that example an apparent error it was a major discrepancy in the cost of the floor. Rather than simply dismiss the example it would be more edifying to explain it with scripture.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The example given of a possible error was quite interesting though - one account states the threshing floor was purchased
Second Samuel teaches that David purchased the Threshing Floor for 50 shekels of silver, while First Chronicles teaches that he paid 600 shekels of gold. That’s a massive difference, especially by today’s standards.

And yet I am in the wrong for seeking help from these "people." I mean, how do we get this wrong? Did David pay with silver or with gold? Let me guess . . . he paid for part of the purchase with silver, but then for the entire property, he paid with gold? Two different transactions? Can anyone honestly say that this makes sense?

But, here is the bottom line. I could care less, for these minor details have nothing to do with the Core of the Bible. What is that Core? The utter Core of the entire Bible is the doctrine of Circumcised Hearts. I have felt the Raw, Almighty Power of God to the degree that if I have felt more, my body would have been physically altered or damaged in some way. It was unbelievable! And based upon that experience, I know for an absolute fact that our Bible contains all that we need to know to understand who the True God of all that is . . . is. Our God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob . . . He is our Lord and Savior.

So, I don't care about errors or whether or not there are any. My point of this thread was to gain knowledge and understanding from others so that I might be totally prepared for those who would argue against our Blessed and Holy Word. I Love God with all my Heart, Mind, and Soul. I will die simply for His Holy Name alone. So if Jesus lied, or if Rahab lied, or if king David was deceptive, acting like a madman to throw of the king of the day . . . I could care less. Who am I to charge God? God can do whatever He wants . . . that Almighty Power proved to me that He is in control and that I am not. Like Moses said, I wish that everyone knew the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Numbers 11:29 NLT - "But Moses replied, "Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD's people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit upon them all!"

 

[pottersclay]

Thank you for this offering. I would say, though, that Ornan, aka Araunah, didn't want to charge David a penny. There is no need to purchase an entire field for what he was doing. If he purchased the property, I would think that we'd hear about it. That said, what you and another person have said regarding these things could absolutely be True.

Again, thank you, PC.

Your very welcome....thanks for your diligence as the mysteries of the scriptures may be revealed and God's word proven to be infallible. ☺☺☺