Israel does not go by DNA to determine who is and who is not "Jewish". They have other standards that they go by. Paul talks about the disputes people had about the genealogies. Today there are a lot of people interested in the latest research on the DNA of the "Jewish" people. I read James Watson's book back in the 60's when it was first published. So I have followed the discovery of DNA from the beginning.
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We are all concerned about the new virus that has swept the countries, and though it is off topic, it is what I have sent to some.
Coronavirus and norovirus are similar, and according to info online, norovirus, colds and flu can be killed by Oregano oil. --- It may be a deterrent to all viruses. --- Check out the uses and benefits of Oil of Oregano online, there is a lot that can be studied.
Quote: Carvacrol, the primary active component in oregano oil, effectively kills norovirus, a common cause of food-borne illness in hospitals, schools, and cruise ships. The compound works by breaking down the tough outer coat of the virus, which is the leading cause of vomiting and diarrhea around the world.
The oil of oregano is taken by mouth for intestinal parasites, allergies, sinus pain, arthritis, cold and flu, swine flu, earaches, and fatigue. (And one list included e-coli.)
Place 1–3 drops of this dilution under the tongue, hold it there for a few minutes, then flush with water. --- Swallowed: If you're taking the oregano oil orally, you can put a few drops of it into a cup (237 ml) of water, gargle and then swallow.
--- On my bottle of Oregano Oil, that comes with a dropper, it says ‘take five drops a day,’ which can be taken in a cup of water. It may not taste the best but it doesn’t linger. I have started to take it early in the morning in my usual cup of hot (boiled) water, before I take other medications.
The Scripture says that “In the last days perilous times will come,” --- There will be “Famines, earthquakes, pestilences,” --- and ‘pestilences’ can mean ‘infectious diseases.’ --- If we can use a home remedy to perhaps build up resistance, as well as wash our hands frequently, so that they are clean when we touch our face, or food, we will be doing what we can to help ourselves, and hopefully others. Blessings
Coronavirus and norovirus are similar, and according to info online, norovirus, colds and flu can be killed by Oregano oil. --- It may be a deterrent to all viruses. --- Check out the uses and benefits of Oil of Oregano online, there is a lot that can be studied.
Quote: Carvacrol, the primary active component in oregano oil, effectively kills norovirus, a common cause of food-borne illness in hospitals, schools, and cruise ships. The compound works by breaking down the tough outer coat of the virus, which is the leading cause of vomiting and diarrhea around the world.
The oil of oregano is taken by mouth for intestinal parasites, allergies, sinus pain, arthritis, cold and flu, swine flu, earaches, and fatigue. (And one list included e-coli.)
Place 1–3 drops of this dilution under the tongue, hold it there for a few minutes, then flush with water. --- Swallowed: If you're taking the oregano oil orally, you can put a few drops of it into a cup (237 ml) of water, gargle and then swallow.
--- On my bottle of Oregano Oil, that comes with a dropper, it says ‘take five drops a day,’ which can be taken in a cup of water. It may not taste the best but it doesn’t linger. I have started to take it early in the morning in my usual cup of hot (boiled) water, before I take other medications.
The Scripture says that “In the last days perilous times will come,” --- There will be “Famines, earthquakes, pestilences,” --- and ‘pestilences’ can mean ‘infectious diseases.’ --- If we can use a home remedy to perhaps build up resistance, as well as wash our hands frequently, so that they are clean when we touch our face, or food, we will be doing what we can to help ourselves, and hopefully others. Blessings
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The record was completed when Jesus was born. Why would anyone have need of a later genealogy? The spiritual seed came and indwells the believer. What is there to look for?
The end to the beginning. The generation of Christ the born again generation
Matthew 1:1-3 King James Version (KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
Because of the scripture in Rev 7:4 "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel." We have scientific evidence to show that the Bible is accurate and true. 144,000 is not very many people in this day and age. In a world of 8 billion. We know that there are natural branches and branches that are grafted in. In this case we are talking about the natural branches. "For if you were cut from a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted into one that is cultivated, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!" (Romans 11:24)
Hi Dino and Walknlight,
Quote: Placid said, there is a hesitancy to accept that Christ indwelt Jesus and spoke through Him.
Dino said in post 96, There is a hesitancy to accept that, and rightly so, because it's hogwash!
"Christ" didn't "indwell" Jesus. Jesus IS Christ (Messiah). There is no distinction, separation, or division. The two are synonymous because they are one.
And walknlight agreed, John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Response: --- I know, that is what we were taught, but when you study the Scriptures you see that Christ came from heaven and Jesus was born on earth. --- They were ‘together’ in one body while Jesus was on earth. --- Naturally, the Person the disciples saw as the Messiah was Jesus. --- I agree.
However, it says in Hebrews 2:9 “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.”
--- Do you not agree that Jesus was born of Mary in a human body with blood in His veins?
Angels don’t die, and Christ could not die to save us from sin, because He had no blood to shed. --- However, they ‘shared’ the body through the lifetime of Jesus on earth.
To continue with what the Scriptures say, --- this might be the hardest thing of all to believe, because it has never been taught this way: --- Paul said that Christ ‘claimed’ the body when he said this in 1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.
It also says this in Hebrews 10:5 When He (Christ) came into the world He said, --- “A body You have prepared for Me.” --- So the body was the holy One born of Mary, Luke 1:35 --- and when Jesus was caught up to heaven, to be 'our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek,' He didn’t take that body with Him, and it was placed in the tomb. --- But Christ, who could not be seen otherwise, again ‘lived through’ the body in the resurrection. He could 'claim' and 'own' the body because Christ said in Hebrews, “A body You (God) have prepared for Me.” --- And Christ ascended in that body when He returned to heaven.
--- There is more, but this will be enough for now. --- Let’s see your Scripture verses
Quote: Placid said, there is a hesitancy to accept that Christ indwelt Jesus and spoke through Him.
Dino said in post 96, There is a hesitancy to accept that, and rightly so, because it's hogwash!
"Christ" didn't "indwell" Jesus. Jesus IS Christ (Messiah). There is no distinction, separation, or division. The two are synonymous because they are one.
And walknlight agreed, John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Response: --- I know, that is what we were taught, but when you study the Scriptures you see that Christ came from heaven and Jesus was born on earth. --- They were ‘together’ in one body while Jesus was on earth. --- Naturally, the Person the disciples saw as the Messiah was Jesus. --- I agree.
However, it says in Hebrews 2:9 “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.”
--- Do you not agree that Jesus was born of Mary in a human body with blood in His veins?
Angels don’t die, and Christ could not die to save us from sin, because He had no blood to shed. --- However, they ‘shared’ the body through the lifetime of Jesus on earth.
To continue with what the Scriptures say, --- this might be the hardest thing of all to believe, because it has never been taught this way: --- Paul said that Christ ‘claimed’ the body when he said this in 1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.
It also says this in Hebrews 10:5 When He (Christ) came into the world He said, --- “A body You have prepared for Me.” --- So the body was the holy One born of Mary, Luke 1:35 --- and when Jesus was caught up to heaven, to be 'our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek,' He didn’t take that body with Him, and it was placed in the tomb. --- But Christ, who could not be seen otherwise, again ‘lived through’ the body in the resurrection. He could 'claim' and 'own' the body because Christ said in Hebrews, “A body You (God) have prepared for Me.” --- And Christ ascended in that body when He returned to heaven.
--- There is more, but this will be enough for now. --- Let’s see your Scripture verses
Placid said: I showed with different verses that Jesus is our High Priest in heaven, so He will not be coming back to earth.
Response: --- You are right, that it is Christ who is coming back to earth, first for the Rapture, when He will not be seen, and then when He comes in Matthew 24:30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
--- And later Christ, the Son of Man, will appear as the King, to judge the nations, as it says in Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left."
But we read this in Hebrews 7:14:
For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For He testifies: “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.” --- 18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment (old covenant, Hebrews 8:13) because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. --- 20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: “The Lord has sworn and will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek’ ”), 22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
--- Since Jesus is the new High Priest 'forever' in the new 'Sanctuary' in heaven, He can't come back to earth. --- it says in 25 "Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, 'since He always lives' to make intercession for them."
--- Therefore Jesus has a full time position, to greet every believer who enters heaven, and then can present them before the Lord. He represents us as He was made like us, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone."
--- And again it says that Jesus was the author of our salvation and that He is now in heaven to receive us, in Hebrews 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."
--- Notice the position, not at the 'right hand of God,' but at 'the right hand of the throne of God.' --- And this is clarified in Hebrews 8:1 "Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man."
--- This is written quite plainly, unless you don't believe the Book of Hebrew.
Response: --- You are right, that it is Christ who is coming back to earth, first for the Rapture, when He will not be seen, and then when He comes in Matthew 24:30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
--- And later Christ, the Son of Man, will appear as the King, to judge the nations, as it says in Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left."
But we read this in Hebrews 7:14:
For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For He testifies: “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.” --- 18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment (old covenant, Hebrews 8:13) because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. --- 20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: “The Lord has sworn and will not relent, ‘You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek’ ”), 22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
--- Since Jesus is the new High Priest 'forever' in the new 'Sanctuary' in heaven, He can't come back to earth. --- it says in 25 "Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, 'since He always lives' to make intercession for them."
--- Therefore Jesus has a full time position, to greet every believer who enters heaven, and then can present them before the Lord. He represents us as He was made like us, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone."
--- And again it says that Jesus was the author of our salvation and that He is now in heaven to receive us, in Hebrews 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."
--- Notice the position, not at the 'right hand of God,' but at 'the right hand of the throne of God.' --- And this is clarified in Hebrews 8:1 "Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man."
--- This is written quite plainly, unless you don't believe the Book of Hebrew.
Scripture doesn't say that angles can't die. It also doesn't say that Christ had no blood to shed.
Paul said nothing about "claiming" the body of Christ, which is why it has never been taught that way.
You added "Christ" to this passage. The term doesn't appear there.
As you've made your argument on non-existent "scriptural passages", I see nothing to refute.
Paul said nothing about "claiming" the body of Christ, which is why it has never been taught that way.
You added "Christ" to this passage. The term doesn't appear there.
As you've made your argument on non-existent "scriptural passages", I see nothing to refute.
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One promised outward demonstration of the invisible Spirit is all that was promised. Therefore if any man say lo is Christ he is here or there we are to believe not. He warned the believer before moving John to write the last words in the book of the law the Bible .The perfect has come .Believers continue to walk by faith.
There will be a flash of lightning from the east to represent the end of time. Or described as coming as a thief in the night.
No literal ruling reigning on this corrupted planet with Christ clothing himself with corrupted flesh and blood a second time.
One promised outward demonstration of the unseen work of the Father.
There will be a flash of lightning from the east to represent the end of time. Or described as coming as a thief in the night.
No literal ruling reigning on this corrupted planet with Christ clothing himself with corrupted flesh and blood a second time.
One promised outward demonstration of the unseen work of the Father.
And you don't believe that Christ can be BOTH eternal High Priest in Heaven AS WELL AS the King of kings and Lord of lords on earth. So just to prevent you from posting more false doctrine, I will put these Scriptures here for all to see:
REVELATION 19
11 And I saw Heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. [Note: war is made on earth]
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written, that no man knew, but He Himself.
13 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
DANIEL 7
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days [God the Father], and they brought Him [Christ] near before Him [God the Father].
14 And there was given Him [Christ] dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed...
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.
The Bible never contradicts itself. Christ -- our great High Priest -- descends to earth with the armies of the saints and angels, for the battle of Armageddon, after which He establishes His Kingdom on earth. "All people, nations, and languages" on earth will serve Him and obey Him.
REVELATION 19
11 And I saw Heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. [Note: war is made on earth]
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written, that no man knew, but He Himself.
13 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
DANIEL 7
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days [God the Father], and they brought Him [Christ] near before Him [God the Father].
14 And there was given Him [Christ] dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed...
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.
The Bible never contradicts itself. Christ -- our great High Priest -- descends to earth with the armies of the saints and angels, for the battle of Armageddon, after which He establishes His Kingdom on earth. "All people, nations, and languages" on earth will serve Him and obey Him.
God is not worshiped according to the temporal things seen. (bowing to the flesh)But is according to the father not seen. We walk by faith the unseen eternal .
When accused of being Good Master according as the Son of man. Jesus gave the glory to the unseen father. God is not a man as us, never was never could be, he remains without beginning as the one who faithfully creates beginnings .
Jesus dared not stand in the holy place of the father as a abomination of desolation
Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God
The word good is the unseen signature of God not seen . And it was good .. and that was good .His seal of approval .Not after the flesh of the Son of man as if it as corruptible could profit for something.
Jesus did give glory to God, but He did not deny being God. That's where your error lies.
Wrong, as I have explained to you many times. You have badly interpreted this passage, thought I'd not sure if it is because your understanding of the Person of Jesus Christ is flawed, or the result thereof.
Why do you keep posting this error?
Wrong, as I have explained to you many times. You have badly interpreted this passage, thought I'd not sure if it is because your understanding of the Person of Jesus Christ is flawed, or the result thereof.
Why do you keep posting this error?
Hi Nhemiah6
Quote: And you don't believe that Christ can be BOTH eternal High Priest in Heaven AS WELL AS the King of kings and Lord of lords on earth. So just to prevent you from posting more false doctrine, I will put these Scriptures here for all to see:
Response: --- Yes, I believe that Christ was the rider on the white horse and was given the title, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, as the Scriptures say.
There are a few mysteries about Melchizedek that relate to Jesus Christ and it involves a little history.
--- The first time the word Priest is used in Scripture is in Genesis 14:18 Then Melchizedek ‘king’ of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the ‘priest’ of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said: “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth; 20 And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all.
--- Melchizedek was both King and Priest of God Most High. So the two offices of King and Priest were together in Melchizedek, to introduce God’s government to the people. As king of Salem (the first mention of Jeru-salem), He represented God, and as Priest Melchizedek represented the link between God and sinful man.
This was when God introduced the Priesthood to earth. The Priest was to be the representative of God to men, really a ‘go between.’ --- Since this was new it was taught first to Abraham whom God had chosen. Melchizedek taught the Law to Abraham including the law of tithing, which was ‘man’s responsibility’ to God. --- In choosing the nation Israel, God had said, “I will be their God, and they will be My people. --- The other office that God introduced was ‘Prophet,’ who was to speak God’s word to the people. --- Actually, God was their King, and He was represented by the Priest who was an ‘intermediary’ between God and the people. --- And the Prophet was the speaker for God, to give His messages and prophecies to the people.
--- It was a good arrangement with ‘King, Priest and Prophet.’ Later God called Moses as the Prophet to lead the Children of Israel out of Egypt. --- And again, God was their King, Moses was the Prophet, and Aaron was the Priest.
I might ask, "Do you agree with this?"
Quote: And you don't believe that Christ can be BOTH eternal High Priest in Heaven AS WELL AS the King of kings and Lord of lords on earth. So just to prevent you from posting more false doctrine, I will put these Scriptures here for all to see:
Response: --- Yes, I believe that Christ was the rider on the white horse and was given the title, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, as the Scriptures say.
There are a few mysteries about Melchizedek that relate to Jesus Christ and it involves a little history.
--- The first time the word Priest is used in Scripture is in Genesis 14:18 Then Melchizedek ‘king’ of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the ‘priest’ of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said: “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth; 20 And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all.
--- Melchizedek was both King and Priest of God Most High. So the two offices of King and Priest were together in Melchizedek, to introduce God’s government to the people. As king of Salem (the first mention of Jeru-salem), He represented God, and as Priest Melchizedek represented the link between God and sinful man.
This was when God introduced the Priesthood to earth. The Priest was to be the representative of God to men, really a ‘go between.’ --- Since this was new it was taught first to Abraham whom God had chosen. Melchizedek taught the Law to Abraham including the law of tithing, which was ‘man’s responsibility’ to God. --- In choosing the nation Israel, God had said, “I will be their God, and they will be My people. --- The other office that God introduced was ‘Prophet,’ who was to speak God’s word to the people. --- Actually, God was their King, and He was represented by the Priest who was an ‘intermediary’ between God and the people. --- And the Prophet was the speaker for God, to give His messages and prophecies to the people.
--- It was a good arrangement with ‘King, Priest and Prophet.’ Later God called Moses as the Prophet to lead the Children of Israel out of Egypt. --- And again, God was their King, Moses was the Prophet, and Aaron was the Priest.
I might ask, "Do you agree with this?"
To continue with King, Priest and Prophet:
--- Israel as a nation had its good times and bad times, and the Priesthood deteriorated, and God introduced Judges to control the people, but they were dissatisfied so that when we come to the Prophet Samuel, it says this in 1 Samuel 8:1 Now it came to pass when Samuel was old that he made his sons judges over Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not walk in his ways; they turned aside after dishonest gain, took bribes, and perverted justice. 4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah, 5 and said to him, “Look, you are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.” 6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” So Samuel prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them. 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt, even to this day—with which they have forsaken Me and served other gods— so they are doing to you also. 9 Now therefore, heed their voice. However, you shall solemnly forewarn them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reign over them.”
--- So Samuel warns the people in the next 10 verses that a king who would dominate them: --- 19Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, “No, but we will have a king over us, 20 that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.”
--- They chose Saul as their King. And we know all of the struggles between Saul and David, --- But the Lord preserved David to become the great King of Judah, from whom Jesus descended through the lineage of David’s son Nathan, down to Mary.
Following the days of Saul, the Kingdom was divided with the ten tribes in the North called Israel, and the two tribes in the South called Judah. --- David became the King of Judah
--- Another name we find in 1 Samuel is, “The Lord of hosts.” And the first mention is in 1 Samuel 1:3 “This man (this was the husband of Hannah, so the father of Samuel), went up from his city yearly to worship and sacrifice to the Lord of hosts in Shiloh. Also the two sons of Eli, (the last High Priest), Hophni and Phinehas, the priests of the Lord, were there.” --- Here Hophni and Phinehas are called priests, and in 8, in the later years of Samuel the sons of Samuel were called judges, “The name of his firstborn was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not walk in his ways; they turned aside after dishonest gain, took bribes, and perverted justice.”
--- So when Israel and Judah were ruled by kings, the role of priests kind of disappeared.
--- Israel as a nation had its good times and bad times, and the Priesthood deteriorated, and God introduced Judges to control the people, but they were dissatisfied so that when we come to the Prophet Samuel, it says this in 1 Samuel 8:1 Now it came to pass when Samuel was old that he made his sons judges over Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not walk in his ways; they turned aside after dishonest gain, took bribes, and perverted justice. 4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah, 5 and said to him, “Look, you are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.” 6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” So Samuel prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them. 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt, even to this day—with which they have forsaken Me and served other gods— so they are doing to you also. 9 Now therefore, heed their voice. However, you shall solemnly forewarn them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reign over them.”
--- So Samuel warns the people in the next 10 verses that a king who would dominate them: --- 19Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, “No, but we will have a king over us, 20 that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.”
--- They chose Saul as their King. And we know all of the struggles between Saul and David, --- But the Lord preserved David to become the great King of Judah, from whom Jesus descended through the lineage of David’s son Nathan, down to Mary.
Following the days of Saul, the Kingdom was divided with the ten tribes in the North called Israel, and the two tribes in the South called Judah. --- David became the King of Judah
--- Another name we find in 1 Samuel is, “The Lord of hosts.” And the first mention is in 1 Samuel 1:3 “This man (this was the husband of Hannah, so the father of Samuel), went up from his city yearly to worship and sacrifice to the Lord of hosts in Shiloh. Also the two sons of Eli, (the last High Priest), Hophni and Phinehas, the priests of the Lord, were there.” --- Here Hophni and Phinehas are called priests, and in 8, in the later years of Samuel the sons of Samuel were called judges, “The name of his firstborn was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not walk in his ways; they turned aside after dishonest gain, took bribes, and perverted justice.”
--- So when Israel and Judah were ruled by kings, the role of priests kind of disappeared.
Yes, Samuel himself served as a priest/ prophet . (one in the same)
Priests prophecy. "Declare the gospel". Prophets continued to prophecy, the last old testament prophet Malachi. The last all together John.The one that continues, Christ. . in us, our teacher comforter and one who does bring to our memory that which he has taught as a loving father.
Priests prophecy. "Declare the gospel". Prophets continued to prophecy, the last old testament prophet Malachi. The last all together John.The one that continues, Christ. . in us, our teacher comforter and one who does bring to our memory that which he has taught as a loving father.
I have to write this in installments as 'this is the age of the half read page.' --- This is a longer history than can be put in one post and I can come back to respond to individual posts later. --- Unfortunately, not too many of us read the 'Minor Prophets.'
--- Yes, in the time of King David, Abiathar and Zadok are mentioned as priests, but later, it said of Solomon that he sometimes acted as his own priest, and it says, quote: “In Solomon’s time, were priestly duties carried out improperly or by non-priests resulted in dire consequences.”
The priests were no longer dedicated to the Lord, like the Pharisees later, --- so when the priesthood failed to fill the role, and the kings after Solomon were self seeking, except for one or two, God allowed some changes to preserve His people. The ten Northern tribes were taken to Assyria in 722 BC, and many from Judah were taken to Babylon in about 600 BC for the 70 year captivity. --- The Jews from Assyria didn’t return to Israel, but were dispersed throughout the world. The Jews in Babylon were revived under the miraculous teaching and miracles accompanying the Prophets, Ezekiel and Daniel. Many returned after the captivity under Joshua the Priest and Zerubbabel, the Governor. --- Later Ezra the Priest and scribe, led another group back to Jerusalem and restored worship. --- However, within a few years the Priesthood again began to fail to the level of what it said in Malachi 1:7 “You offer defiled food on My altar, but say, ‘In what way have we defiled You?’ By saying, ‘The table of the Lord is contemptible.’ 8 And when you offer the blind as a sacrifice, Is it not evil? And when you offer the lame and sick, Is it not evil? Offer it then to your governor! Would he be pleased with you? Would he accept you favorably?” Says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 2:7 “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And people should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. 8 But you have departed from the way; You have caused many to stumble at the law. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,” Says the Lord of hosts.
--- The name, 'the Lord of hosts' is used from 1 Samuel to the end of Malachi, but not in the New Testament.
So from God’s perfect government of King, Priest and Prophet, --- all that was left were His Prophets. The Kingship and Priesthood that had been handed over to men had failed. --- But God is never without resources. --- In that time, about 470 BC the Prophet Zechariah was given this, in Zechariah 6:12 “And say to him, Thus says the Lord of hosts: [You, Joshua] behold (look at, keep in sight, watch) the Man [the Messiah] whose name is the Branch, for He shall grow up in His place and He shall build the [true] temple of the Lord.
13 Yes, [you Joshua are building a temple of the Lord, but] it is He Who shall build the [true] temple of the Lord, and He shall bear the honor and glory [as of the only begotten of the Father] and shall sit and rule upon His throne. And He shall be a Priest upon His throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between the two [offices—Priest and King]."
--- Yes, in the time of King David, Abiathar and Zadok are mentioned as priests, but later, it said of Solomon that he sometimes acted as his own priest, and it says, quote: “In Solomon’s time, were priestly duties carried out improperly or by non-priests resulted in dire consequences.”
The priests were no longer dedicated to the Lord, like the Pharisees later, --- so when the priesthood failed to fill the role, and the kings after Solomon were self seeking, except for one or two, God allowed some changes to preserve His people. The ten Northern tribes were taken to Assyria in 722 BC, and many from Judah were taken to Babylon in about 600 BC for the 70 year captivity. --- The Jews from Assyria didn’t return to Israel, but were dispersed throughout the world. The Jews in Babylon were revived under the miraculous teaching and miracles accompanying the Prophets, Ezekiel and Daniel. Many returned after the captivity under Joshua the Priest and Zerubbabel, the Governor. --- Later Ezra the Priest and scribe, led another group back to Jerusalem and restored worship. --- However, within a few years the Priesthood again began to fail to the level of what it said in Malachi 1:7 “You offer defiled food on My altar, but say, ‘In what way have we defiled You?’ By saying, ‘The table of the Lord is contemptible.’ 8 And when you offer the blind as a sacrifice, Is it not evil? And when you offer the lame and sick, Is it not evil? Offer it then to your governor! Would he be pleased with you? Would he accept you favorably?” Says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 2:7 “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And people should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. 8 But you have departed from the way; You have caused many to stumble at the law. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,” Says the Lord of hosts.
--- The name, 'the Lord of hosts' is used from 1 Samuel to the end of Malachi, but not in the New Testament.
So from God’s perfect government of King, Priest and Prophet, --- all that was left were His Prophets. The Kingship and Priesthood that had been handed over to men had failed. --- But God is never without resources. --- In that time, about 470 BC the Prophet Zechariah was given this, in Zechariah 6:12 “And say to him, Thus says the Lord of hosts: [You, Joshua] behold (look at, keep in sight, watch) the Man [the Messiah] whose name is the Branch, for He shall grow up in His place and He shall build the [true] temple of the Lord.
13 Yes, [you Joshua are building a temple of the Lord, but] it is He Who shall build the [true] temple of the Lord, and He shall bear the honor and glory [as of the only begotten of the Father] and shall sit and rule upon His throne. And He shall be a Priest upon His throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between the two [offices—Priest and King]."