Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

[GaryA]

This thread has become so overloaded with nonsense.

Go right ahead and "volley the folly" all you want.

Argue until all of you are blue in the face.

I do not have time for this crap...

I give up - I am out...

So much pride...

So much error...

It is sad.

 

[Mem]

The word "paralambano" is also used of Satan taking Jesus to the temple and high mountain in His temptations. (Matt.4:5&8) Hardly sounds like the sort Jesus would associate with. Also used of the soldiers taking Jesus away to be crucified. (Jn.19:16)

The word is not solely used of good relationships or pleasant places to visit.

Within the context of Matthew 24 it can only be considered as one taken to a place of destruction just as the flood took those who ignored Noah's preaching to their destruction.

The Lord used the examples of the days of Noah and the days of Lot in the context of the passage heading "The Coming of the Kingdom," examples in which there was no kingdom expected att. Those that were spared in those examples eventually flubbed up after they'd been delivered from destruction but at the coming of the kingdom, the word translated as "left" is also translated as to denote of sense of being "forgiven," let go, or discharged.

This computer has an awful time with lag when trying to view BibleHub in order to cut and paste the HELPS Word-studies it offers within the Strong's tab where paralambano is explained as 'from 3844 /para, "from close-alongside" and 2983 /lambano, "aggressively take" - to take (receive) by showing strong personal initiative.' And the Thayer's Greek Lexicon lists Luke 17:34-36 within the (1.) definition with the only explicit explanation as "in the passive" and, when comparing it to the word for "left," the only explicit explanation for the usage in that verse is "as opposed to paralambano."

And, as I was saying, Noah and Lot flubbed up (they were left in the corruptible state), but at the coming of the kingdom, no one left will be flubbing anything, if they have put on incorruptible.

 

[Psalm1]

After Jesus says, "I tell you, on that night...one will be taken and the other left...," they ask, "Where, Lord?" and He answered, "Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather."
How does this sound like a good place to be taken?

What is your theory?
Who are they, and where are they taken?
half of what group?

 

[Psalm1]

The word "paralambano" is also used of Satan taking Jesus to the temple and high mountain in His temptations. (Matt.4:5&8) Hardly sounds like the sort Jesus would associate with. Also used of the soldiers taking Jesus away to be crucified. (Jn.19:16)

The word is not solely used of good relationships or pleasant places to visit.

Within the context of Matthew 24 it can only be considered as one taken to a place of destruction just as the flood took those who ignored Noah's preaching to their destruction.

Jesus was taken to a place. Not a bad place ,to make a deal. Satan came as an angel of light .
so in your model, Before the flood ,half of what group is taken?
Are those taken, told to be ready?

Noah was gathered before the flood.
The ones taken are gathered also before the flood in Jesus analogy.

In the actual story, the ones left behind are destroyed.

By omitting components we can make it say whatever we want.

 

[Psalm1]

It's fine to do a word study. But the critical element is context. No context for a Rapture of the Church to heaven in this particular use of "taken."

Luke 17.35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”
37 “Where, Lord?” they asked.
He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

The context is the generation of Christ and the judgment of God that comes on a society that is corrupt. It has nothing at all to do with the Church's being caught up into the air.

The part of the Discourse dealing with the taking away of the ungodly Jews and the catching up of the elect is found here:

Luke 21.24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Jesus was anticipating the Roman army coming to Jerusalem and taking away those who had gathered in Jerusalem like a "corpse." And this Jewish Diaspora will last age-long until the "times of the Gentiles" are coming to an end.

Then Christ will come and the saints will be redeemed. In other versions we are told that angels will gather up the elect of Israel. These are the Christians in Israel, and Paul indicates non-Jewish saints will be called up at the same time.

This is the Raputre of the Church, when the entire age comes to a close and Jewish tribulations are brought to an end. This is when Israel's elect and the elect of the world are caught up to Christ and transformed into immortals.

Mat 24
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

I have never seen a postribber unpack that the ones taken are to watch and be ready.

But apparently postrib doctrine has a rapture postrib for half of earth's population, but at the same time think the church is raptured.
Combine that with the postrib teaching that the wicked are gathered first.

Imagine that. We supposedly witness a rapture of half the world's wicked (according to postrib rapture theory), and we stay. Then we are raptured, I suppose, as the " other person grinding in a mil", or the "other person sleeping in a bed".?

What a mess.
This is why I say when you start changing the Bible. You're gonna have to change 10 or 20 verses to match that false assumption.

 

[Psalm1]

The word "paralambano" is also used of Satan taking Jesus to the temple and high mountain in His temptations. (Matt.4:5&8) Hardly sounds like the sort Jesus would associate with. Also used of the soldiers taking Jesus away to be crucified. (Jn.19:16)

The word is not solely used of good relationships or pleasant places to visit.

Within the context of Matthew 24 it can only be considered as one taken to a place of destruction just as the flood took those who ignored Noah's preaching to their destruction.

You misrepresented it because Satan and Jesus were not going to any bad place at all and zero of what you are saying applies.

 

[sawdust]

Noah was gathered before the flood.

Which is analogous to the Rapture of the Church prior to the beginning of the Tribulation period. The Church is in Christ and lifted above the Earth just as Noah was in the Ark and lifted above the waters.

Then at the end of the Tribulation the Coming of the Son destroys the wicked by taking them away just as the flood took away the wicked in Noah's day.

The Flood was forty days and nights. The Tribulation is seven years.

You misrepresented it because Satan and Jesus were not going to any bad place at all and zero of what you are saying applies.

To you maybe. Personally I prefer not to hang with people who want to lead me into sin. It means to come along side, which does not necessarily mean it has a good ending. You also seemed to miss the soldiers paralambano Jesus to the Cross.

When Jesus comes alongside the wicked at His coming, His brilliance will destroy them.