Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

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titus 3:10-11..."But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned."
You can reject me. I already know you have. But God will keep putting His servants in front of you with the same message. Let it be as proof to you, that God is personally calling you!

And when your judgment comes. What excuse will you have? God will ask you, how many servants He has placed in your path with the same message? And you have rejected each and every one. What will be your excuse? None! You will have no excuse!

Nobody will ever be condemned because they believe a lie. They are condemned because they didn't believe the Truth!

You've been warned. There is still time to change your course. I sure hope you re-consider.
 

john832

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account for matthew 5:18 first since that was the verse you quoted at me...

these repeated 'bait and switch' tactics just make you look more and more dishonest...
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And your explanation of this is???
 

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By studying Daniel 7, one can realise whose the little horn power that is also described in Revelation 13 as the beast that comes up out of the see. In Daniel 7, daniel prophesies of four kingdoms. These four were historically Babylon, medo-persia, greece, and Rome. The third beast split into four kingdoms, that's why it had four heads. When Alexander the great died, his kingdom was taken over by his four generals. Each one took a part of the kingdom. The fourth beast historically was Rome. Which was divided in 476 ad into ten nations --> that's why it had ten horns.
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OP: Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

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Question / Issue

Is there really going to be a national Sunday law?

Answer / Solution

It is something that will never be. The Bible doesn't teach it. Adventists have come up with it as a scare tactic to get people to join their denomination and worship on Saturday.

The seal of God is not the Sabbath, the Bible clearly says it is the Holy Spirit:

"In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation –having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise." Ephesians 1:13

"Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

"Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge." 2 Corinthians 1:21-22

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"Which was divided in 476 ad into ten nations --> that's why it had ten horns"

what a leap!
the Bible says nothing about any of that.
the ten horns were 10 Caesars who ruled the known world (empire) during the LIFETIME OF JESUS.
beginning with Augustus, and proceeding through to PRINCE Titus (who later became Caesar), and destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD.

ALL of Daniel was about ancient ISRAEL...it is about THEM first and foremost.
it talks about their captivities, and their return to the land in time for the Promised King and Savior,
who in the days of those kings (the 10 horns [Caesars] and 7 heads [Herods]) did set up a kingdom that would not ever be given to another (king), and His kingdom would be an everlasting Kingdom.

Daniel is all fulfilled:). it's not about the Papacy.

Daniel 2:44
Daniel Interprets the Dream

43"And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery. 44"In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. 45"Inasmuch as you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy."

John 12:34
The crowd spoke up, "We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, 'The Son of Man must be lifted up'? Who is this 'Son of Man'?"

Luke 1:32
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David

Matthew 3:2
and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near."

Hebrews 12:28
Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe..

~

anyway - the mark of the beast would be on the followers of the beast, not on followers of Christ.
the Catholic church is not the beast of Revelation, nor Daniel.

that beast was the confederacy between apostate Judaism (Herods, who made themselves Kings of the Jews) and the Romans.

eventually the Romans hated the Harlot who sat upon the many waters (peoples languages and nations), for God had placed it in their hearts to burn her with fire - the Mosaic Law's punishment on the daughter of a priest who prostitutes herself poured out, decreed by Jesus:

Luke 19
39Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, rebuke Your disciples.”40But Jesus answered, “I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!”

41When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it,42saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes.43“For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side,44and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”


and they did, exactly that. the desolation completed by Prince Titus (later king-Caesar):






Carrying off the Menorah from the Temple in Jerusalem depicted on a frieze on the Arch of Titus in the Forum Romanum

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any use of Daniel to make anything about the Papacy is eisgesis and speculation.
never gonna make sense of it if we keep using GAP theories:)

you can hate on the Vatican if you want to, but don't use Daniel to do it;)

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Daniel 11:36
And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

....was (Herod) Agrippa II.

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And yet we read...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

for rest here is Sabbatismos and means a keeping of the Sabbath.

The Diaglott has it...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.

Let's see what Paul did in Antioch (a Gentile city)....

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Now why didn't Paul tell these Gentiles that Sunday was now the day? Why did he continue to teach weekly on the Sabbath to these Gentiles?

How about in Philippi (Another Genitle city)...

Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Again, why didn't Paul instruct these folks about Sunday instead of preaching to them on the Sabbath?

What was Paul's manner?

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Why wasn't his manner to reason with them on Sunday. If Sunday was the day, why didn't Paul set the example? Why did he continue on the Sabbath?

Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Here he is again in a Gentile city (Corinth) persuading Jews and Gentiles. Why didn't he EVER set anybody straight about the Sabbath being done away?

BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER DONE AWAY.
hebrews 4 has nothing to do with sabbath keeping...because the author calls God's rest a -promise- and not a commandment...and he says we enter that rest by believing...and he says that God fixed 'today' as the day to enter his rest...

paul preached on the sabbath because he preached in synagogues and the sabbath was the day for synagogue preaching...sort of like how if you wanted to speak in a public school you would do it while the school is open...it has nothing to do with mandatory observance of any particular day...

and notice there is nothing in any of the passages you quoted about paul -resting- on the sabbath...it just says he preached on the sabbath...the sabbath commandment in the law has nothing to do with what day people preach on...

why did the holy spirit leave out the sabbath?

acts 15:28-29..."For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."

you would think the apostles would have mentioned the sabbath if keeping it was essential...and especially if breaking the sabbath had anything to do with the mark of the beast...
 
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Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

People will not only keep the Sabbath, they will keep the Feast Days...

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
i explained isaiah 66:22-23 already...

from one new moon to another' is like saying 'month after month'
'from one sabbath to another' is like saying 'week after week'

isaiah's mention of new moons and sabbaths are just timekeeping conventions...he isn't saying they will be observed in heaven...

in fact he cannot be referring to heavenly sabbath keeping because the time period 'from one sabbath to another' would also include the days in between and not just the sabbaths...what isaiah is really talking about is continual worship...

and zechariah 14 is obviously not about the new heaven and new earth...there is no punishment or smiting in the new heaven and new earth...
 
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hebrews 4 has nothing to do with sabbath keeping...because the author calls God's rest a -promise- and not a commandment...and he says we enter that rest by believing...and he says that God fixed 'today' as the day to enter his rest...

paul preached on the sabbath because he preached in synagogues and the sabbath was the day for synagogue preaching...sort of like how if you wanted to speak in a public school you would do it while the school is open...it has nothing to do with mandatory observance of any particular day...

and notice there is nothing in any of the passages you quoted about paul -resting- on the sabbath...it just says he preached on the sabbath...the sabbath commandment in the law has nothing to do with what day people preach on...

why did the holy spirit leave out the sabbath?

acts 15:28-29..."For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."

you would think the apostles would have mentioned the sabbath if keeping it was essential...and especially if breaking the sabbath had anything to do with the mark of the beast...
They don't get this either.

They will never find rest, they are too busy trying to work hard so they can be good enough to be saved.
 
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You can reject me. I already know you have. But God will keep putting His servants in front of you with the same message. Let it be as proof to you, that God is personally calling you!

And when your judgment comes. What excuse will you have? God will ask you, how many servants He has placed in your path with the same message? And you have rejected each and every one. What will be your excuse? None! You will have no excuse!

Nobody will ever be condemned because they believe a lie. They are condemned because they didn't believe the Truth!

You've been warned. There is still time to change your course. I sure hope you re-consider.
members of your cult are not servants of God at all...

in fact their spirit of confusion shows that they are not even christian...biblically a spirit of confusion is one of God's divine judgments against the unsaved...

so that is scripture's warning to you...repent and pray to God to remove your spirit of confusion...
 
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Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And your explanation of this is???
christ obeyed the entire law perfectly and by faith that obedience is credited to our account...just as if we ourselves had obeyed every jot and tittle of the law...
 
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oh and in case anyone needs to see it...here is the background for my statements about the spirit of confusion...copied and pasted from my thread on 'spirits mentioned in the bible'...


isaiah 19:11-15...

"The princes of Zoan are utterly foolish;
the wisest counselors of Pharaoh give stupid counsel.
How can you say to Pharaoh,
'I am a son of the wise,
a son of ancient kings'?
Where then are your wise men?
Let them tell you
that they might know what the Lord of hosts has purposed against Egypt.
The princes of Zoan have become fools,
and the princes of Memphis are deluded;
those who are the cornerstones of her tribes
have made Egypt stagger.
The Lord has mingled within her a spirit of confusion,
and they will make Egypt stagger in all its deeds,
as a drunken man staggers in his vomit.
And there will be nothing for Egypt
that head or tail, palm branch or reed, may do."


the spirit of confusion causes people to become foolish...that is displaying irrational and unwise thought or behavior...with the end result being self destruction...

according to this passage the spirit of confusion is actually sent from God...so it appears that this one really is a spiritual influence...and not just an attitude of the heart...however since it is sent from God it does not seem to be a -demonic- spirit...but actually a spirit obedient to God...

similar examples of God sending confusion in order to cause self destructive behavior in his enemies are the confusion of the egyptians as they pursued the israelites through the parted red sea in exodus 14:24...the confusion of the canaanites as they fought against the invading israelites predicted in exodus 23:27 and deuteronomy 7:23...and the confusion that the israelites would be cursed with if they turned away from God according to the warning in deuteronomy 28:20...

also in each of these examples a spirit of confusion is sent as a judgment from God...so a person with a spirit of confusion can be regarded as being under God's judgment...

finally 1 corinthians 14:33 says..."for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints."

this indicates that the 'churches of the saints' have peace and not confusion...so a church with a spirit of confusion can be regarded as a 'church of the unsaved'...that is an apostate church or cult...

there is no text that tells how to remedy a spirit of confusion...however since the spirit of confusion is a form of divine judgment...it is reasonable to suppose that repentance could turn aside or lighten the judgment and possibly remove the spirit of confusion... God's promise in deuteronomy 30:1-10 to restore a repentant israel after judging them with the various punishments mentioned in deuteronomy 28 is in agreement with this conclusion...
 

zone

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And when your judgment comes. What excuse will you have?
LOL....but isn't our 'judgment' happening already? per: Ellen White's kooky "Investigative Judgment"?

da heresy of SDA's that Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies in 1843 to begin the work of "Investigative Judgment" - deciding who is worthy to enter heaven.

and that's whoever stays home or whatever they do on SATURDAY (plus is a vegan)...'parently.

mkay.

trouble is, nobody is 'worthy' of heaven.
also: BELIEVERS ARE NOT JUDGED.

a day of the week won't save ya.
if it did, unbelieving jews are saved, ya?

Jesus must have been "investigating" them in 1843...He surely sees they observe the sabbath, soooooooo.

like...for real?
 
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LOL....but isn't our 'judgment' happening already? per: Ellen White's kooky "Investigative Judgment"?

da heresy of SDA's that Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies in 1843 to begin the work of "Investigative Judgment" - deciding who is worthy to enter heaven.

and that's whoever stays home or whatever they do on SATURDAY (plus is a vegan)...'parently.

mkay.

trouble is, nobody is 'worthy' of heaven.
also: BELIEVERS ARE NOT JUDGED.

a day of the week won't save ya.
if it did, unbelieving jews are saved, ya?

Jesus must have been "investigating" them in 1843...He surely sees they observe the sabbath, soooooooo.

like...for real?
hehe you sure know to give it to them would like to add that the true jews will be saved all 144 000 of them and if god had to blind them so we can come in the gentiles if they weren't blind why all 144 000 of them will be saved in the end, so why are these people following what the jews are doing if they are purposely blind? thinking they are jews... my goodness, if we look at the jews today we see that no matter what they still don't accept jesus but YET the adventist still following that... and wanna make some excuse saying of the people of today isn't those of yesteryear.. well god is the same yesterday today and forever the jews are still his people.. so that is a bad excuse to practice your works
 
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Rome will take over the world in the end times that is where the mark of the beast comes from catholicism
 
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Thank you, at least I understand the point of view better.....I'm still not a believer on forced sunday observance being the mark (Although I obviously wouldn't do that anyway if they tried to enforce something like that) but I can understand the point of view much better now. God Bless :)
Ok brother. I won't try to enforce my view upon you. And neither should anyone. But i totally believe the mark of the beast is the sunday observance due to the reasoning above. Anyway. I would hope you change your mind ofcourse. I think i have given sufficient proof. But hey man, i'll pray for you to see that the mark of the beast is sunday laws. Thanks
 
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LOL....but isn't our 'judgment' happening already? per: Ellen White's kooky "Investigative Judgment"?

da heresy of SDA's that Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies in 1843 to begin the work of "Investigative Judgment" - deciding who is worthy to enter heaven.

and that's whoever stays home or whatever they do on SATURDAY (plus is a vegan)...'parently.

mkay.

trouble is, nobody is 'worthy' of heaven.
also: BELIEVERS ARE NOT JUDGED.

a day of the week won't save ya.
if it did, unbelieving jews are saved, ya?

Jesus must have been "investigating" them in 1843...He surely sees they observe the sabbath, soooooooo.

like...for real?
Zone,,

Judgement begins at the house of God! 1 Peter 4:17

I realize that none of this makes any sense to you. But,,,,,,

Before God permits the Saints into His kingdom,,they will be judged. Right now ( i realize this is nonsense to you) the Righteous dead are being judged. Starting with Adam,,,and when the last saved person has been judged righteous,,, Jesus will cease making intercession for mankind. And the words will go forth:

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still, and he that is righteous let him be righteous still."

And the cases of everybody will be settled. Probation will end. And the Mark will be enforced. Everybody will haven chosen their side.

Here is how I believe we are judged: The saints: Adams life record is examined. Satan accuses him of sin,,God agrees that Adam sinned. Jesus points out that Adam repented of his sins. All the heavenly host see, that what Jesus said concerning the sins of Adam is true. Adam repented. Jesus paid the penalty. God judges that Adam is indeed repentful and grants him Salvation based on Jesus' act at Calvary! Adam is granted Salvation. And on to the next case of the Saved.

Zone,, the Bible says: Judgement must begin at the house of God! Zone,,, the border of Heaven is not like the border between Mexico and the United States... Nobody will sneak in. Everybody that enters heaven, will have already been JUDGED righteous.

It would be silly to let everybody into heaven,, then judge them.


The wicked are killed when Jesus appears. They won't be able to stand in His presence and live.

So,, tell me,, do you reject 1 Peter 4:17?

Tell me,,how do you suppose the Righteous are brought to heaven,, if their cases haven't already been examined?
 
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members of your cult are not servants of God at all...

in fact their spirit of confusion shows that they are not even christian...biblically a spirit of confusion is one of God's divine judgments against the unsaved...

so that is scripture's warning to you...repent and pray to God to remove your spirit of confusion...
Spirit of confusion is of the devil. That's where it reigns most in the vatican. How many times have they played that tack tick? Sounds striking that God called this church "babylon". Which means confusion. I will really pray for you. Because i truly don't know what it is you are liking above your Lord. It may seem shocking at first to find out that your church is wrong. But that cannot be used an excuse. Why ignore the statements in the Bible so strikingly made! We are of God because we truly know Him. 1 John 2:4 says "he that saith, i know Him, and[but] keeps not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him." Truth is not with you and you are found a liar because John said so. We are not liars because to Holy Bible we OBEY His commandments. No sin can be allowed in heaven.
 

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Zone,,

Judgement begins at the house of God! 1 Peter 4:17

I realize that none of this makes any sense to you. But,,,,,,

Before God permits the Saints into His kingdom,,they will be judged. Right now ( i realize this is nonsense to you) the Righteous dead are being judged. Starting with Adam,,,and when the last saved person has been judged righteous,,, Jesus will cease making intercession for mankind. And the words will go forth:

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still, and he that is righteous let him be righteous still."

And the cases of everybody will be settled. Probation will end. And the Mark will be enforced. Everybody will haven chosen their side.

Here is how I believe we are judged: The saints: Adams life record is examined. Satan accuses him of sin,,God agrees that Adam sinned. Jesus points out that Adam repented of his sins. All the heavenly host see, that what Jesus said concerning the sins of Adam is true. Adam repented. Jesus paid the penalty. God judges that Adam is indeed repentful and grants him Salvation based on Jesus' act at Calvary! Adam is granted Salvation. And on to the next case of the Saved.

Zone,, the Bible says: Judgement must begin at the house of God! Zone,,, the border of Heaven is not like the border between Mexico and the United States... Nobody will sneak in. Everybody that enters heaven, will have already been JUDGED righteous.

It would be silly to let everybody into heaven,, then judge them.


The wicked are killed when Jesus appears. They won't be able to stand in His presence and live.

So,, tell me,, do you reject 1 Peter 4:17?

Tell me,,how do you suppose the Righteous are brought to heaven,, if their cases haven't already been examined?
Question / Issue

What’s wrong with the Investigative Judgment?

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The problem is that the Investigative Judgment was taught by SDA pioneers the way they "discovered" it. What needs to be done is to discard it entirely because it's not a biblical doctrine. Adventists admit it has never been taught before in the history of the church.

The only reason they hang onto it today and try to give it a face‑lift is because they must somehow validate Oct. 22, 1844. This date, of course, is wrong because SDA's started with the wrong date and wrong decree.

The Investigative Judgment as taught by Ellen G. White (prophetess) and the church is contained in The Great Controversy. Summed up: A believer's salvation is determined by a judgment of his/her works. This is not salvation by faith (Eph. 2:8‑9, Titus 3:5-7).

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can't help you beyond that.

you're in deep trouble.
swim to shore. quick.
 
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because it is not the pope. it is the head of the roman empire. who rules the world. this is not the pope.

The pope is the harlot, which the beast will destroy before he commits the abomination. because the pope ( at least having some knowledge of the word of God ) would then KNOW who he was. and he has enough power in the world to stop him.

No money = no work = what your claiming is false. that is ALL we need to know.
"The pope is the harlot". Well how do you define that from Holy Bible? Woman in prophecy is church. This whorish woman is the catholic church. Pope is the man of sin. Go to the link i sent above and see it for yourself. Antichrist stays to the end for Jesus to destroy him. There has been no emperor for rome for decades
 
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because it is not the pope. it is the head of the roman empire. who rules the world. this is not the pope.

The pope is the harlot, which the beast will destroy before he commits the abomination. because the pope ( at least having some knowledge of the word of God ) would then KNOW who he was. and he has enough power in the world to stop him.

No money = no work = what your claiming is false. that is ALL we need to know.
"The pope is the harlot". Well how do you define that from Holy Bible? Woman in prophecy is church. This whorish woman is the catholic church. Pope is the man of sin. Go to the link i sent above and see it for yourself. Antichrist stays to the end for Jesus to destroy him. There has been no emperor for rome for decades
And if he's antichrist then he got no knowledge of Bible prophecy. Only children of God understand prophecy.
 
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so saturday will still exist...all that tells us is that the week won't be shortened to less than seven days...it says nothing about whether or not the sabbath will actually be observed...
Why are you just defining by yourself what isaiah is talking about? Anyway. Your theology never matches with what Jesus said. Tell you what. If the law was abolished at the cross 2000 years ago, then how come we were taught we are sinners?! Sin is the transgression of the law. And "where no law is, there is no transgressor"- romans 4:15.
Listen. I respect your decision of not wanting to keep the Law. But i will do as the Holy Bible commands. Even the catholic church admits that if protestants want to take the Holy Bible only as their sole faith, they should keep the Sabbath. "Whosoever commith sin is of the devil"- 1 john 3:8. I don't know about you, but now i am being convinced, that you want to be of the devil?! I for one, don't.
 

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hebrews 4 has nothing to do with sabbath keeping...because the author calls God's rest a -promise- and not a commandment...and he says we enter that rest by believing...and he says that God fixed 'today' as the day to enter his rest...

paul preached on the sabbath because he preached in synagogues and the sabbath was the day for synagogue preaching...sort of like how if you wanted to speak in a public school you would do it while the school is open...it has nothing to do with mandatory observance of any particular day...

and notice there is nothing in any of the passages you quoted about paul -resting- on the sabbath...it just says he preached on the sabbath...the sabbath commandment in the law has nothing to do with what day people preach on...

why did the holy spirit leave out the sabbath?

acts 15:28-29..."For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."

you would think the apostles would have mentioned the sabbath if keeping it was essential...and especially if breaking the sabbath had anything to do with the mark of the beast...
In other words, the Greek here is meaningless? The word Sabbatismos means space shuttle? You have an interesting method of exegesis...

1) Form an opinion
2) Ignore any fact contrary to rule 1