Mark 3:1-6 and Modern Day Miracles

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Lamar

Lamar

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ResidentAlien said:
You can test their fruit. Many of the so-called miracle workers end up being exposed in other areas, such as sexual immorality or financial crimes. If someone is being dishonest and deceptive in other areas, it's a pretty safe bet they're being deceptive about their ability to perform miracles.
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I understand your point but the moral failures of an individual does not prove or disprove a past event did not happen. The OP speaks of the validity of the claim being used as pretext for authority.

Hence, if the claim of the physical supernatural manifestation is true then the message of who produced the manifestation must also me true. This seems to be the pattern in the Bible.

But today there is no manifestations to prove or disprove because we are simply being presented claims.

This is the point, unlike modern day "prophets" the Bible did not simply use claims of physical supernatural events but purposeful and public manifestations.
 
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Lamar said:
I understand your point but the moral failures of an individual does not prove or disprove a past event did not happen. The OP speaks of the validity of the claim being used as pretext for authority.

Hence, if the claim of the physical supernatural manifestation is true then the message of who produced the manifestation must also me true. This seems to be the pattern in the Bible.

But today there is no manifestations to prove or disprove because we are simply being presented claims.

This is the point, unlike modern day "prophets" the Bible did not simply use claims of physical supernatural events but purposeful and public manifestations.
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I agree you can't test the validity of a "miracle" that never actually occurred; however, you can test the validity of the claims by observing a person's fruit. If they're a proven liar, you know their claims are also likely bogus.
 
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You have to believe as the bible says believers can heal the sick, even the dead etc... But obviously there are a lot of rodents / fraudsters who only want to make money so you have to be very careful.

On that note do we have any 'historical' evidence of any mountains ever being moved?

Matthew 17:20 says, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move.
 
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Needevidence said:
You have to believe as the bible says believers can heal the sick, even the dead etc...
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There is a big difference between "can raise the dead" and "are raising the dead". Agreed?
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On that note do we have any 'historical' evidence of any mountains ever being moved?
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If people were claiming that they are moving mountains would you use your same standard?

In other words, would you say that we "have to believe as the Bible says believers can"?
 
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