Making Sense of Matthew 24

[biker]

I interpet that verse


Okay I am going to post a bit more than just verse 14 so we can see it before I comment.

Matt 24:9-14
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

This is not talking about the ages Jesus was speaking of when He said "this generation will not pass away before the end of the AGE".

The end here is the end end, once His Spirit has brought all nations under Him and He presents the redeemed creation to the Father and then dwells with us forever.
Verses 9-13 are speaking of the comingh judgement, verse 14 is all on it's own speaking of the ultimate victory over everything. I believe that verse 14 is summing up the whole purpose of our Kings awesome work, and all life.

Then after this He goes back to speaking more in depth about the AoD and ends with the timeframe ALL THESE THINGS would take place in. Truly tells us.

So, to make absolutely sure here, you are claiming Matthew 14 speaks about 70 A.D. or about a later date like 2,000 years from then?

 

[Dino246]

The end of the age is the same as end of ages .You could say under the Sun and moon . The age clock . They will be under the feet of His bride.. Revelation 12.

That's not correct. "The end of the age" is the end of one specific age, not of all ages.

 

[iamsoandso]

I see, no answer to your contradictions and inconsistency. I'll give you this, you are consistent in your inconsistency View attachment 214624

I'm using bibles that correctly translate the Greek consistently. No such thing as "standard terminology" - even if there was you ain't using it.

lol. In the third post I gave him this https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-3.htm #165 aionos,age any way we look at it it's an aeon/age of time. I then went to great effort to explain that he thinks it means end of the world because it has been imputed so many times across history that most see it that way. This is probably the root of the friction between preterist/futurist debates in that they think that the disciples are asking about Jesus second coming and the whole time the Scriptures show that they did not see it at all at the time of the OD and were asking about his coming. present tense to them...

 

[Yahshua]

This is INCORRECT. Matthew 24 gives a logical and chronological series of events from the destruction of the temple in 70 AD to the Second Coming of Christ IN THE FUTURE.

PAST
1. The destruction of the temple at Jerusalem, Jerusalem, and Judah

PAST AND ONGOING
2. False Christs (and false prophets)

3. Wars and rumors of wars

4. Famines, pestilences and earthquakes

5. Persecution of the apostles and Christians. Christian martyrs.

6. The preaching of the Gospel worldwide before the end.

FUTURE
7. The Antichrist and the Abomination of Desolation

8. The Great Tribulation

9. Cataclysmic cosmic events

10. The Second Coming of Christ

11. The ingathering of the believing Jewish remnant.

12. Predictions of the Rapture

I'd shift "future" down by 3 numbers...

PAST
1. The destruction of the temple at Jerusalem, Jerusalem, and Judah

PAST AND ONGOING
2. False Christs (and false prophets)

3. Wars and rumors of wars

4. Famines, pestilences and earthquakes

5. Persecution of the apostles and Christians. Christian martyrs.

6. The preaching of the Gospel worldwide before the end.

7. The Antichrist and the Abomination of Desolation

8. The Great Tribulation

PRESENT
9. Cosmic events...with distress/tribulation of nations; perplexity; mens hearts failing for fear

FUTURE
10. The Second Coming of Christ

11. The ingathering of the believing Jewish remnant..with gentile believers

 

[iamsoandso]

Mans days one hundred and twenty? Seventy is what the Bible offers.

One hundred and twenty is a different metaphor .It represent the authority of God using the base (12) Zeros that follow after represent a unknown. Like the 144,000.

Twelve the authority of God compared to the same unseen authority . Faith not seen to faith, the eternal understanding.

Thousand years is used 9 times in the entire Bible Comparing the thoughts of God to the same. .It is always used as a metaphor used in the parable. .the signified understanding.

Why would some literalize the signified language the gospel understanding and forfeit the gospel understanding? It is used in the opening statement for some purpose?

Revelation 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The little word as in parables speak loud . .it is silenced by those literalist who seek after signs

The thousand years is as if it was a thousand .Not a formula 1 does not = 1000

But rather 1 +1 = 1 Or 1000 +1000 = 2000 twice over

No formula 1 + 0 = 1000

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

The metaphor dragon or serpent in that parable above represents the spirit of error, the god of this world . He cannot be bond with lock and chain.

Those metaphors represent the power of the gospel the key described in the opening of that parable(the whole book) . .

Remember without parables Jesus spoke not in the last days .

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6-3.htm

120x50=6000

 

[garee]

See this is where your knowledge of the Greek underlying the translations fails - the Greek for world is kosmos, which is precisely what is used in the verse you blithely quoted:

(John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life)

John 3:16 Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν Υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

Here, you might find this site useful:

https://studybible.info/search/IGNT/john 3:16

It is how he loved all nations of the world by performing a work of His faith. A demonstration to the whole world of His labor of love.. The whole world is the scope of all things that work to the good of the design of God . Not just the Jewish world as some previously thought mistakenly. (no faith)

They were used as a shadow to represent all the kingdoms of the world. A sign unto the whole world .It was a sign. Not the literal kingdom .It comes not by observation. Not then not now .But in the twinkling of the eye


1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


Satan fell. He could no longer deceive the whole world in that way ever again .The time of reformation had come. The gospel spread like wild fire to the ends of the earth. The gospel as it is written is still performing its loving call of faith, the golden measure or key that unlocks and bind the bottomless pit .

In that way Christians are not to wrestle against flesh and blood, male or female, Jew nor gentile . That wall of deception fell like the walls of Jericho when the veil was rent from the top to the bottom . We are the temple made up of many lively stones that does make up the spiritual house of God spoken of "the church" . We have the treasure of His power in us . Not of us . . . .a kingdom of priest from all nations. .

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[garee]

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6-3.htm

120x50=6000

I would suggest previously numbers were higher it would seem after Noah Abraham lived more than 120 . He was the last oldest.

The 120 seems to be used to represent the authority of God using 12 . And 50 usually represents redemption with the number 5 . In that way 6000. which I think is a low number for the whole as if God did number.. time and people More like 11,000.

70 - 80 would seem to be the final references for a person

Psalm 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength "labour and sorrow;" for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

 

[Dave-L]

See this is where your knowledge of the Greek underlying the translations fails - the Greek for world is kosmos, which is precisely what is used in the verse you blithely quoted:

(John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life)

John 3:16 Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν Υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

Here, you might find this site useful:

https://studybible.info/search/IGNT/john 3:16

This doesn't mean "age" when translated "world".

 

[Dave-L]

No the age of Moses was a covenant, so was the age of Noah. The end of the age was the end of Mosaic age covenant. The Jews were looking for the Messianic age which would conclude the Mosaic age. This is simple biblical understanding.

Jesus appeared at the end of the age, Paul stated the end of the ages had come upon them. The age of Messiah is without end.

(Eph 3:21 to Him is the glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus, to all the generations of the age of the ages. Amen.)

The phrase age of the ages is the nearest to an age without any end that can be expressed using Greek.

Badly Greek translated KJV version, but with the right understanding:

(Eph 3:21 KJV) Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.)

It would be better translated as age without end.

So it's time to get off the pot and decide if the world ends or the age ends.

How can Christ's reign be without end if the world ends?

(Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.)

The Ten Commandments were the Covenant. Not the time period.

 

[Jimbone]

Yes I believe Jesus when after describing the AoD, and the end of the Mosaic age, looks these people that He was talking to, He looks them right in the eyes and says "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
I'm sorry but you can not convince me that our King, LOL, THE very "Truth" Himself looks His disciples in the eyes to answer their direct question, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”, look at the fact that He even stresses the truth of what He is saying by starting it with "Truly I say to you", laying the groundwork for what follows to be understood truth. This leads strait to Him saying " THIS GENERATION will not pass away before ALL these things take place", and people tell me this means WAY in the future LONG after this generation passes away all these things will happen, on top of the fact that Jesus was absolutely right, and historically this was the time frame that the age of the Gods temple, by His chosen people carrying out sacrifice, all pointing to the coming redeemer, coming to bring His kingdom (a kingdom not of this world and within BTW) and salvation through which God and men were reconciled spiritually, repairing the bond we were created to have together by His grace and sacrifice. It wasn't only salvation He was bringing, but also judgement on the covenant breakers, those leaders and people that screamed "We have no king but Cesar, let His blood be on our heads and the heads of our children. I'm telling you brother YES, I believe Jesus words and that all these things took place exactly as He said. I could go on and on with how these thing line up SO much better than any other interpretation I've heard. Even down to the things like Jesus on the way to the cross telling the women "Don't weep for Me, weep for your children", because He knew what was coming for THEM.

Anyway I hope that helps you to at least understand what I believe, how I see and read scripture, and how, in my head at least, how I see this view fitting the text SO much better. One last point, my point and case here say nothing about the difference this has made in how I see and approach EVERYTHING having to do with evangelism and the disciplining of nations. It's lit a fire in me and given me a boldness that can only be Him and He gets ALL credit because they are all things I would have never done, felt, thought about, or cared at all about truth. I see Him as reigning King Now!!!

 

[iamsoandso]

I was thinking you saw only two ages and not all seven https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm if you did you would see that Jesus came in the midst/middle of the week of ages and then that there were three and an half ages remaining, two and an half days and then the Sabbath. I will follow along for now and let you resolve the ages in when they end and begin.

seven Ages/aeon's of time. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-34.htm "and the end of the age/generation https://biblehub.com/greek/1074.htm

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm "generations of the heavens and earth" six days(yowm) the the seventh(Sabbath) https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8435.htm (one of the seven generations of the worlds history) 120x50 jubilees(Leviticus 25:8-13)=6000+Mill=7000 years. They ask "end of the age" he answered generation/age shall not pass until the things he said were fulfilled,then the next age and the next 1,2.3,4.5,6.7.