Major doctrinal errors found in Amillennialism.

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26. How many armies are in Revelation 19-20?

Revelation 19-20 speaks of three armies. One of that belongs to the beast which is defeated by Christ at Armageddon, then a thousand years later after satan is released from the pit he raises a new army which does not face an army of God or Christ but is destroyed by fire from God the Father in heaven. Amillennialism typically teaches there are only two armies which contradicts what we are given.

The beast's Revelation 19 army is defeated by God the Son who has an army but satan's Revelation 20 army is defeated by God the Father with no army.

The first battle happens before the thousand years and the second happens after the thousand years has ended.

 

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27. The Battle of Armageddon (in the valley of Megiddo) is the same battle found in Revelation 20:8-9? (Gog Magog at Jerusalem)

Amillennialisml typically teaches these are the same battle yet they clearly are not:

In Revelation 19, a battle involving two armies is fought at Armageddon (in the valley of Megiddo) .

One army is led by the Revelation 13:1 beast and the false prophet, and the other is led by Christ at his second coming. He and his army destroy the enemy army and the beast and FP are cast into the lake of fire. All this before the Revelation 20's "a thousand years" even begins.

After the end of the "a thousand years", Revelation 20:8-9 shows an army led by satan (the beast and false prophet already having been defeated and are in the lake of fire) surrounding Jerusalem and facing no opposing army. Instead of Christ and his army defeating this army, God the Father rains fire from heaven and destroys them. This second battle happens just outside of Jerusalem and Jerusalem is about 66 miles away from the valley of Megiddo.

Satan is then cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet already are proving they were cast into the lake of fire at an earlier time before satan was further proving the two battles are not the same battle repeated twice.

Clearly two different places and two different battles where an army of evil is destroyed.

 

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28. Was satan bound and imprisoned at the cross or when Christ resurrected?

Not according to Revelation 12. Amillennialism teaches satan was bound at the cross or when Christ resurrected yet we read in Revelation 12 that after the ascension that satan is cast out of heaven with his angels and then we read, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

There is no binding or imprisoning at all! In Revelation 12 he proceeds to "persecute the woman which brought forth the man child" and after that he continues his rampage, "went to make war with the remnant of her seed". The context of Revelation 12-13 shows that satan is more powerful and has more authority to persecute and kill members of the Church! That is the OPPOSITE of being bound.

Furthermore, Christ certainly didn't say the binding and imprisonment in the pit was going to happen at the cross. What he did say about when he would be gone is that the ruler of the world, satan, would be coming. That is the opposite of what happens in the Millennium.

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the ruler of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

 

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29. The Millennial Kingdom/Kingdom of God established at the cross?

Amillennialism believes the Millennium began at the cross but Christ said it was related to his second coming through a parable he spoke:

Luk 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.


They made the same mistaken assumption that Amillennialism does.

Luk 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luk 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luk 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luk 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.


Clearly the Kingdom/Millennium does not begin until the return of Christ. This is exactly what is found in Revelation 2:25-26, Revelation 19 and 20.

 

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30. Did the reign with Christ and the saints becoming kings and priests occur at the cross?

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

"and shall reign" is in the future tense and this was written decades after the cross. Amillennialism teaches this reign as priests and kings happened at the cross but that violates the future tense John uses proving the reign with Christ could not have started at the cross. It is a future event which validates the Premillennial understanding of this reign.

 

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31. Is the beast of Revelation 13 from the distant past and has already been defeated?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches that the events of Revelation 13 are from the past yet how is that possibly true when we see the same beast and false prophet from Revelation 13 in Revelation 19 which most Amillennialists believe to be the future second coming? Has the beast and false prophet been ruling the world since Ad 70? If so, how can they have so much power in a time when satan is supposedly bound and imprisoned since Ad 33?

The truth is that the events of Revelation 13 with the beast and false prophet are roughly 42 months prior to the events of the last half of Revelation 19, the second coming. Revelation 13 is not the past.

Amillennialism has no answer as to why the Revelation 13 beast is destroyed at the second coming. It proves the events of Revelation 13 occur just prior to the second coming.

 

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32. Is the thousand years/Millennium over and we are now in the little season where satan raises a final army?

There are a lot of problems with this theory.

When did the Millennium end exactly?
When did the little season begin?
Does Revelation 20 suggest satan waits to raise his final army?
Why isn't there a camp of the saints outside of Jerusalem now?
Why is deception still a problem for the nations as it has been for the last 2,000 years?
Shouldn't there have been a drastic change between satan being bound and satan being unbound?
Why was Islam founded and became quickly very popular within the time of the Amillennial "Millennium" if satan was bound from deceiving?
Why were any false religions founded during this time?


Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The truth is satan is released and gathers together this final army. That hasn't happened and isn't happening now so it is literally impossible that we are in the little season just as it is impossible that we could be in the Millennium now or were in the Millennium in the past. None of the events that precede the Millennium have even happened yet.

Amillennialism is desperate to explain why satan has so much power in the world today. Typically they claim his power is limited in the Millennium but not taken away completely. Now some seem to prefer to claim we are in the little season so they can say satan is unbound and his powers to deceive are back in full.

 

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33. Who binds and imprisons satan in the pit?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches that Christ binds and imprisons Satan in the pit but is that accurate?

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 12 proves satan is upon the Earth and cannot return to heaven so his binding is here upon the Earth where the pit is said to be located. The pit is a spiritual place not a geographic place but is said to be in the vicinity of the Earth because to get to the pit an angel must leave heaven and come to the Earth.

Christ could not be the one to bind Satan because Christ would have to leave heaven to accomplish that which would have been a second coming. Since we know he only returns one final time since leaving we know it was indeed an actual angel which bound satan. Anyone that believes Christ bound Satan accidentally believes in a second and a third coming because that's the only way Christ could have bound satan himself.

 

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34. What does "beheading" mean in Revelation 20?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Some Amillennialist's actually reinterpret this to mean being beheaded is Jesus killing off their own sinful selves and causing a re-birth or being "born again" through a symbolic beheading.

The truth is the people beheaded in Revelation 20 are the victims of murder! The beast slays them because they had the testimony of Jesus and refused the mark of the beast. They were born again Christians before they were horribly murdered. Here Amillennialism wrongly and disturbingly changes a horrific murder of Christians during the great tribulation into the wonderful and glorious time when a person is born again. Truly disturbing!

 

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Time is only the law and result of the planet's operation. If you subjectively think they are just moving, it can be said that there is no concept of time, but the concept of motion.
Time can be said to be the evidence used to define death.

 

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35. Revelation 19:15: Does the RULE over the nations take place during the events of Armageddon?

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth(PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Amillennialism teaches the smiting and the treading of the winepress happens at the same time this ruling occurs yet while the verb tenses for the smiting and treading are present tense/present tense meaning, the verb for RULE is in the future tense proving that there is a rule over the nations after the second coming and the killing at Armageddon is completed.

 

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36. Revelation 19:15: Is the RULE over the nations a violent rule ending in death?

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Amillennialism teaches to rule with the rod of iron means to violently kill the people of the nations yet that is not what the word means:

G4165
poimaino
poy-mah'ee-no
From G4166; to tend as a shepherd (or figuratively superviser): - feed (cattle), rule.


To tend is to take care of! A supervisor watches over his employees, not kill them! A shepherd controls and protects his flock and that is the type of rule that shall be rather than the slaughter of the wicked. It is clear error to mix the concept of shepherding with killing.

The smiting of the nations means their governments and militaries will be destroyed but the civilians will remain alive to be ruled by shepherds.

 

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36. Revelation 19:15: Is the RULE over the nations a violent rule ending in death?

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Amillennialism teaches to rule with the rod of iron means to violently kill the people of the nations yet that is not what the word means:

G4165
poimaino
poy-mah'ee-no
From G4166; to tend as a shepherd (or figuratively superviser): - feed (cattle), rule.


To tend is to take care of! A supervisor watches over his employees, not kill them! A shepherd controls and protects his flock and that is the type of rule that shall be rather than the slaughter of the wicked. It is clear error to mix the concept of shepherding with killing.

The smiting of the nations means their governments and militaries will be destroyed but the civilians will remain alive to be ruled by shepherds.

I understand it is at the beginning of His reign that He will destroy all powers and authorities and put all His enemies under His feet. The kingdom is to be rolled out from Jerusalem as per Ezekiels river which flows from under the temple.

Then all the peoples will flock to Jerusalem to the mountain of the God of Jacob to learn His ways.

 

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37. Does the everlasting destruction take place during the second coming?

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Amillennialism teaches the everlasting destruction in verse 9 happens the same time as the taking vengeance does but that isn't true.

In verse 8 the verb didomi/TAKING is in the present tense proving that is happening at the second coming but in verse 9 the verb tino/PUNISHED is in the future tense proving that the punishment of everlasting destruction does NOT take place at the second coming. That comes after the second coming and Revelation 20 tells us over a thousand years passes before it happens.

 

[EyeWitness]

I can't completely explain the 1,000 year period written about in Revelation. I am currently just trying to get through the first 3 score and 10. This being said, we should be careful in our Bible study. We should pray and seek revelation from the Lord about the scriptures. Then when we see more than others, the others will often not believe the truth because they are in the flesh and use their mind to try and figure it all out.

 

[EyeWitness]

I am content to view the 1,000 years as occuring before the return of Christ. My position is post trib and amil, though I might not agree with all statements made by typical amils.

 

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I am content to view the 1,000 years as occuring before the return of Christ.

So this evil world full of sin and murdering of Christians is how you view the thousand year rod of iron rule?? That's madness.

If Jesus is ruling right now with his saints he is doing a horrible job.

 

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Major doctrinal errors found in Amillennialism.


(these various issues have been presented in threads in various forums by people who believe in Amill. These may or may not be held by every individual of that doctrine)

If any one of these are true, then you can be assured that Amill is faulty and should be rejected as a theological doctrine.

Each person who believes in Amill is a good person with good intent regarding scriptural interpretation but Premill very much disagrees with their doctrine, their way of interpretation, and their exegesis of various scriptures. In this list you will see the biggest problems the Amill doctrine contains.


1. Time no longer theory

Rev_10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

The "time will stop existing" theory is based on misunderstanding some translations archaic wording. Here "time no longer" simply means there will no longer be a delay before certain events begin to occur not that time somehow actually stops.

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Scripture never claims that time ends, in fact the eternity is never ending time with a new fruit on the tree of life every month (30 days of time).

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

World here is AION which is an age or period of time. Usually it speaks of an everlasting period of time. Here the verse not only uses AION but adds "without end" to make clear that time never ends.

What is worse than Amiilinianism is dispensationalism.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

What is worse than Amiilinianism is dispensationalism.

Most people have a poor [faulty / flawed] understanding of it, I find. = )



Welcome to CC. I see you're new around these parts.

Hope to see you around the boards! = )

 

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38. Is Revelation 20's locking Satan in the pit something that happened before the 5th trump?

Amillennialism sometimes teaches that Satan was locked in the pit before the 5th trump and then is released during the sounding of the 5th trump and that event of being released is what is happening in Revelation 20:7 but is that correct? No.

Satan cannot have been locked in the pit before the 5th trump because Revelation 12 covers time from Christ's birth all the way until Satan starts the great tribulation and he was not locked in the pit anywhere in that chapter or timeframe. He is fully free and outside of the pit between the birth of Christ and the starting of the Great Tribulation. Furthermore, we know Satan is still not locked in the pit during the Great Tribulation because of what he is doing in Revelation 13 plus he is still not locked in the pit during the vials of wrath because of this verse:

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 12 and this proves satan was not locked in the pit between the birth of Christ and the battle of Armageddon.

That is fully in line with Premillennialism which teaches that Satan is only locked in the pit after the defeat at Armageddon, and that battle happens at the second coming. So, Satan locked in the pit for a thousand years can only happen after the Great Tribulation has ended and after Armageddon's battle is concluded.