Loss of salvation???
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Don't know, the parable does not address your issue, implying your point is a red herring or simply a nothing burger. Nor does it matter, God can give grace regardless of its acceptance. God is sovereign, after all.
God gives life and He can take it away. God gives grace and He can take it away.
This verse has nothing to do with the parable. Again, grasping at straws.
God has many times taken back what he has freely given.
Your sensibilities about what God can and cannot do is of no value in this discussion.
God gives life and He can take it away. God gives grace and He can take it away.
This verse has nothing to do with the parable. Again, grasping at straws.
God has many times taken back what he has freely given.
Your sensibilities about what God can and cannot do is of no value in this discussion.
Does Jesus ever say, I am God? And yet the Bible teaches that He is. Similarly there are those here who claim that God does not need to move first or do any work in a person ... that the natural man is quite capable in and of himself, of choosing to believe that which he is hostile to in his mind, while being a lover of darkness, a slave to sin, and captive to the will of the devil. Some even say if God reveals Himself one way to one person it is unfair if He does not do the same for all. So everyone needs to have a Road to Damascscus and/or burning bush experience, and part the Red Sea. Keep your eyes open. Adding to this we have also been told that if God does move unilaterally He is kidnapping people against their will and is a tyrant.
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we can't set aside His deity, or the cross is powerless. He remains God while He became man - and He cannot deny Himself or forsake Himself.
the simple death of an innocent man does not absolve the sin of the guilty, but God Himself taking upon Himself the death we deserve, does.
we also can't ignore that Psalm 22 declares the Hind of the Morning is not forsaken:
Christ on the cross is standing in our place, and standing in the place of Israel, His inheritance. she is the Hind, who thought she was forsaken even while her God is standing right in front of her, saving her.
God's face is not hidden from Himself nor does He despise nor abhor Himself. the Lamb of God is accepted.
the simple death of an innocent man does not absolve the sin of the guilty, but God Himself taking upon Himself the death we deserve, does.
we also can't ignore that Psalm 22 declares the Hind of the Morning is not forsaken:
Psalms 22:24
For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Nor has He hidden His face from Him; But when He cried to Him, He heard.
Christ on the cross is standing in our place, and standing in the place of Israel, His inheritance. she is the Hind, who thought she was forsaken even while her God is standing right in front of her, saving her.
God's face is not hidden from Himself nor does He despise nor abhor Himself. the Lamb of God is accepted.
You did no such thing. Just be honest. You have not presented a quote of anyone claiming what you have stated.
It is not I who said grace can be revoked but God.
The parable of the unforgiving servant.
Your name being blotted out of the Book of Life.
The Galatians being removed from the grace of God.
God is under no constraints to keep someone in His grace regardless of your sensibilities.
God is sovereign, live with it.
It is not I who said grace can be revoked but God.
The parable of the unforgiving servant.
Your name being blotted out of the Book of Life.
The Galatians being removed from the grace of God.
God is under no constraints to keep someone in His grace regardless of your sensibilities.
God is sovereign, live with it.
Yea I dont disagree I do t think it matters looking at the Greek the scriptures already say first to believe in Jesus the son sent to save us , and if we do that we’re going to remain close to him and become disciples
i think the term “ believe” is important . I can know to opposing pieces of information fro teo soirces , but also only believe one of them is true.
if we first out our trust in Jesus who God sent to save , then we will be willing to hear his words because we believe in him
Like your saying faith is built from this situation
“And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. ……but one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”
Luke 10:39, 42 KJV
the o my thing that’s going to bring us to a point of listening and trusting the lords word is if we first believe in him that he’s the one God sent to save us , the messiah promised in the prophets
sort of this first
“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
John 6:29 KJV
eill make this acceptable to those who believe in him first in who he is so if I believe in him , this then is true and becomes belief
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
It’s a call to th oar who believe in him and the call is in his words . If he person believes jesusbos the one way to be saved , and another doesn’t believe that
Who accepts his word after that and who rejects it is already written based on tbier initial belief
its a process. Belief in him begats belief in his word as we begin to hear it it’s a gentle and clear call to repentance and obedience but if we first believe in him we’re going to be saved by the process of faith hearing and accepting his word which has the power to change this
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21-23 KJV
a real belief in the heart of his word can do this to that corrupted heart
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
The word of Christ the gospel can do that for us if we accept and believe his word it will change the things in our heart and mind that keep us tied to sins dominion belief is what it’s about that belief deep in the heart regarding the things God said to mankind in the gospel
i think the term “ believe” is important . I can know to opposing pieces of information fro teo soirces , but also only believe one of them is true.
if we first out our trust in Jesus who God sent to save , then we will be willing to hear his words because we believe in him
Like your saying faith is built from this situation
“And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. ……but one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”
Luke 10:39, 42 KJV
the o my thing that’s going to bring us to a point of listening and trusting the lords word is if we first believe in him that he’s the one God sent to save us , the messiah promised in the prophets
sort of this first
“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
John 6:29 KJV
eill make this acceptable to those who believe in him first in who he is so if I believe in him , this then is true and becomes belief
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
It’s a call to th oar who believe in him and the call is in his words . If he person believes jesusbos the one way to be saved , and another doesn’t believe that
Who accepts his word after that and who rejects it is already written based on tbier initial belief
its a process. Belief in him begats belief in his word as we begin to hear it it’s a gentle and clear call to repentance and obedience but if we first believe in him we’re going to be saved by the process of faith hearing and accepting his word which has the power to change this
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21-23 KJV
a real belief in the heart of his word can do this to that corrupted heart
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
The word of Christ the gospel can do that for us if we accept and believe his word it will change the things in our heart and mind that keep us tied to sins dominion belief is what it’s about that belief deep in the heart regarding the things God said to mankind in the gospel
Offended by Christians lying about God? Hmmm. Well, if you agree that God is a scheming tyrant, an unjust judge, a kidnapper with wholly nefarious attributes, and that those who repent are the victim of a hoax, I can see why you would find nothing remarkable or of note in someone calling Him that type of monster. But it sounds more like atheist talking points than anything a Christian should say or agree with.
That aside, we were all told the same thing regardless of who it was aimed at.
And the we is definitely this community despite your ridiculous denial of that fact.
That aside, we were all told the same thing regardless of who it was aimed at.
And the we is definitely this community despite your ridiculous denial of that fact.
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Well i did.. But since I quoted you. I can see why you deny it.. Thats fine.. you can deny it all you want. it will not make it true..
well when people die and they have rejected the grace of God,. their names are blotted out.
Everyones name is in the book of life. because Jesus died for them, hence grace is extended to everyone.
But if people want to reject grace. and turn to law (like you are in effect doing) then you have fallen from grace and in unbelief, your name will be blotted out.
You do not unearn grace because of something you do., or things you do not do.
You reject grace by rejecting the truth in unbelief
Jesus made it cleare
he who believes is NOT CONDEMNED.
he who does not believe is CONDEMNE$D ALREADY!!
well when people die and they have rejected the grace of God,. their names are blotted out.
Everyones name is in the book of life. because Jesus died for them, hence grace is extended to everyone.
But if people want to reject grace. and turn to law (like you are in effect doing) then you have fallen from grace and in unbelief, your name will be blotted out.
You do not unearn grace because of something you do., or things you do not do.
You reject grace by rejecting the truth in unbelief
Jesus made it cleare
he who believes is NOT CONDEMNED.
he who does not believe is CONDEMNE$D ALREADY!!
You are confusing surmising with actual quoting. I can see why you are perplexed...that's understandable...you can stay confused but it will not make it true.
You are simply rejecting the sovereignty of God. You have put your personal sensibilities about how God is supposed to act above the actual nature of God. In other words you have made a God of your own understanding in place of the God of the Bible.
You are in a ditch. You did not stumble into it, you dug it.
He is not bound be your "unbreakable grace" shackles. Let God be God.
You are simply rejecting the sovereignty of God. You have put your personal sensibilities about how God is supposed to act above the actual nature of God. In other words you have made a God of your own understanding in place of the God of the Bible.
You are in a ditch. You did not stumble into it, you dug it.
He is not bound be your "unbreakable grace" shackles. Let God be God.
Please show me where I called you evil or I said Satan speaks the truth or I said God is evil. I don't accept your opinion, I want proof.
I think the problem is you have an erroneous idea of how people come to know and understand.
Knowledge and understanding is not innate. One must first hear the truth , one must then believe and one must apply that truth for understanding to come. Knowledge must be built upon knowledge and understanding develops (usually) over time as the truth of what one believes proves itself.
Adam can be judged for doing evil because the Lord had told him what was right. Adam knew he was not meant to eat from the tree but didn't believe the Lord ergo the knowledge of right was not applied and Adam had to come to understanding the hard way by experiencing evil directly. It's not like evil didn't exist at the time of Adam's creation, it simply wasn't allowed into the garden until God allowed it.
If anyone is being falsely represented here it is you accusing me of things I have never said. Your constant misunderstanding and misapplication of my meaning is sad to say the least.
I do not think man can be like God by doing evil so your question regarding Adam changing his wife's name is nonsensical to me. I have no idea what your point is.
Until such time as you can actually hear what I am saying and present your own ideas lucidly, I see no point in continuing the discussion.
Have a nice day.
I think the problem is you have an erroneous idea of how people come to know and understand.
Knowledge and understanding is not innate. One must first hear the truth , one must then believe and one must apply that truth for understanding to come. Knowledge must be built upon knowledge and understanding develops (usually) over time as the truth of what one believes proves itself.
Adam can be judged for doing evil because the Lord had told him what was right. Adam knew he was not meant to eat from the tree but didn't believe the Lord ergo the knowledge of right was not applied and Adam had to come to understanding the hard way by experiencing evil directly. It's not like evil didn't exist at the time of Adam's creation, it simply wasn't allowed into the garden until God allowed it.
If anyone is being falsely represented here it is you accusing me of things I have never said. Your constant misunderstanding and misapplication of my meaning is sad to say the least.
I do not think man can be like God by doing evil so your question regarding Adam changing his wife's name is nonsensical to me. I have no idea what your point is.
Until such time as you can actually hear what I am saying and present your own ideas lucidly, I see no point in continuing the discussion.
Have a nice day.