Loss of salvation???

[GWH]

4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,

6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance


This is interesting no matter how people choose to interpret it. But we believe that Paul is the author of the Book of Hebrews and this would be something incredible for him to have added.

The NIV should make MM happier:

HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”

 

[lrs68]

The NIV should make MM happier:

HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”

Yes, a much clearer way to understand the point being made.

Thank You!

 

[Musicmaster]

4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,

6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance


This is interesting no matter how people choose to interpret it. But we believe that Paul is the author of the Book of Hebrews and this would be something incredible for him to have added.

Yes, you are right, no matter how anyone interprets it, it is interesting. What makes a difference, however, is that was not spoken to anyone under the Gospel of Grace. It was written to those who were under the Kingdom Gospel.

MM

 

[lrs68]

Yes, you are right, no matter how anyone interprets it, it is interesting. What makes a difference, however, is that was not spoken to anyone under the Gospel of Grace. It was written to those who were under the Kingdom Gospel.

MM

Are you saying the Gospel Jesus preached is different than the Gospel of Grace?

 

[Musicmaster]

Are you saying the Gospel Jesus preached is different than the Gospel of Grace?

You bet it is. What Jesus preached was true for those to whom He spoke that gospel. What Paul spoke to Gentiles was/is also true, and was/is meant for Gentiles all the way up to this very day and beyond until the rapture.

Now, the acid test for this is the very words of Paul. Some believe he was an outright liar, and that's on them. Paul clearly stated that his gospel was hidden in God from before the creation of the world, and was a mystery until revealed to him first.

What that means is that his gospel given to him directly be Jesus was not ever spoken before, because it would then NOT have been a mystery. Can we agree with that?

For them out there to call Paul a liar runs directly into calling Jesus a liar as well, given that Paul received it from Jesus Himself.

MM

 

[lrs68]

You bet it is. What Jesus preached was true for those to whom He spoke that gospel. What Paul spoke to Gentiles was/is also true, and was/is meant for Gentiles all the way up to this very day and beyond until the rapture.

Now, the acid test for this is the very words of Paul. Some believe he was an outright liar, and that's on them. Paul clearly stated that his gospel was hidden in God from before the creation of the world, and was a mystery until revealed to him first.

What that means is that his gospel given to him directly be Jesus was not ever spoken before, because it would then NOT have been a mystery. Can we agree with that?

For them out there to call Paul a liar runs directly into calling Jesus a liar as well, given that Paul received it from Jesus Himself.

MM

I am going to read, reread this a couple of times and chew the cud until I digest it because this is a very well thought out answer that I feel like I believe but want to make sure I am not jumping to conclusions based upon initial understanding.

It feels right but I just want it to become right in my spirit.

 

[Musicmaster]

I am going to read, reread this a couple of times and chew the cud until I digest it because this is a very well thought out answer that I feel like I believe but want to make sure I am not jumping to conclusions based upon initial understanding.

It feels right but I just want it to become right in my spirit.

I fully understand this, and appreciate your being careful in all that you read in forums. I always encourage others to read scripture for themselves and allow the Bible to speak for itself apart from the filters of churchianity and religion in general out there that is always misleading the masses with all manner of man-made doctrines and doctrines of demons.

MM