LIVING IN THE MILLENIA

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Truth7t7

Well-known member
May 19, 2020
7,685
2,496
113
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.... the common understanding of being in prison really is not backing up what you said but as you won’t address this particular verse we will just be playing tennis with our words so It is futile to attempt a discussion. Satan will be released after this period and he will then do what is written. He will go straight to the battle zone in anger because he has Been bound- literally imprisoned -for a thousand years.
Thanks for the response

I have shared my view concerning satan being bound from (Deceiving The Nations To Battle) specifically, not all evil.

You believe satan is bound from all evil?

We will disagree
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
23,824
8,624
113
Chuck Missler (Was) a false teacher, the Nephilim, Angel's having sex with humans is just one example.
The fallen angel Nephilim theory is absolutely correct and has quadruple redundancy to back it up. If the Bible wanted to say that the sons of Seth went into the daughters of Cain it would've said that.........but it did not does not say that. Not even close not even a little bit. The book of Enoch was very well-known in Peter's day I'm sure he knew it himself. No it is not Biblical canon but it does have some correct facts contained therein.
 

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2018
10,923
2,118
113
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.... the common understanding of being in prison really is not backing up what you said but as you won’t address this particular verse we will just be playing tennis with our words so It is futile to attempt a discussion. Satan will be released after this period and he will then do what is written. He will go straight to the battle zone in anger because he has Been bound- literally imprisoned -for a thousand years.
That is correct.

"PRISON".

This also correlates precisely with what Isaiah 24 tells us (and which passage I have in past posts shown to Truth7t7, but to no avail), which passage states:

Isaiah 24:21-23 -

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall PUNISH the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. [<--this corresponds with Rev16:14-16/Rev19:19/Rev20:2-3, at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth]

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days [<--corresponds to the intervening period, i.e. during the MK age] shall they be visited/PUNISHED [lit. 'punished']. [<--this part corresponds with Rev20:710-15, at the GWTj point in time of the chronology ('cast into the lake of fire')]

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.



These TWO "PUNISH" words [/events] are separated by a PERIOD OF TIME (which in the Amill-scheme of things, does not exist. In their view, there is NO "TIME" following the circumstances surrounding the FIRST of these TWO "PUNISH" words [involving the "shut up in the PRISON" aspect] ;) The "Amill-teachings" completely disregard this [intervening TIME PERIOD shown in this text], but unfortunately is not correct on this point).
 

Truth7t7

Well-known member
May 19, 2020
7,685
2,496
113
The fallen angel Nephilim theory is absolutely correct and has quadruple redundancy to back it up. If the Bible wanted to say that the sons of Seth went into the daughters of Cain it would've said that.........but it did not does not say that. Not even close not even a little bit. The book of Enoch was very well-known in Peter's day I'm sure he knew it himself. No it is not Biblical canon but it does have some correct facts contained therein.
Your Claim Is 100% False!

Angel's dont have (Human Sperm) or bodies, nor do they have sexual relations with humans, nor do they marry humans.

Chuck Missler (Was) a false teacher promoting (Greek Mythology) that teaches this false doctrine, in the Nephilim having sex with humans.

The (sons of God) seen below were (Human Men) that married (Human Women) Angel's dont marry as Gods word clearly teaches.

Genesis 6:1-2KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Matthew 24:25KJV
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Wikipedia: incubus
is a demon in male form who, according to mythological and legendary traditions, lies upon sleeping women in order to engage in sexual activity with them
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
23,824
8,624
113
Jesus Christ wont return to earth, and take a physical throne, hanging out with mortal humans as many falsely teach.

Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, he wont be found any place upon this earth

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Good grief man I could write a book on the prophecies about how Christ will sit on a literal throne in a literal Jerusalem, ruling over ethnic Israelites. There are literally hundreds of specific references to this in the Old Testament. It's overwhelming it's just beyond refutation. And then there are the covenants which are ETERNAL, non-arbitrary and cannot be broken. Furthermore these covenants are REAFFIRMED again and again in both the Old Testament and New Testament

But hey just for you we will extract one from the New Testament......

Luke 1:32-33
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”

Perhaps you fail to understand the genealogies of Jesus? He HAD to be born of the seed of his father David in order to acquire the throne. Incidentally so did his mother.

Jesus IS King of the Jews my friend. By birth and by right of conquest!

KING OF THE JEWS!
Do you dare to dispute this specific point?

And what good is this HARD FOUGHT Kinghip without a reconstituted people, regathered as prophecy clearly states in the land of Israel as prophecy clearly states, sitting on the EARTHLY throne of his father David in EARTHLY Jerusalem as the prophecies clearly state?

Augustine the compromiser was dead wrong. Kicking Gods covenants kicking Gods prophecies and kicking Israel to the curb is heresy and blasphemy!
 

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2018
10,923
2,118
113
Might I add:

Acts 3:21 - [Peter, speaking to 'ye men of Israel' v.12]

"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration [G605] of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [that is, the OT prophets and OT prophecies]
 

Truth7t7

Well-known member
May 19, 2020
7,685
2,496
113
Good grief man I could write a book on the prophecies about how Christ will sit on a literal throne in a literal Jerusalem, ruling over ethnic Israelites. There are literally hundreds of specific references to this in the Old Testament. It's overwhelming it's just beyond refutation. And then there are the covenants which are ETERNAL, non-arbitrary and cannot be broken. Furthermore these covenants are REAFFIRMED again and again in both the Old Testament and New Testament

But hey just for you we will extract one from the New Testament......

Luke 1:32-33
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”

Perhaps you fail to understand the genealogies of Jesus? He HAD to be born of the seed of his father David in order to acquire the throne. Incidentally so did his mother.

Jesus IS King of the Jews my friend. By birth and by right of conquest!

KING OF THE JEWS!
Do you dare to dispute this specific point?

And what good is this HARD FOUGHT Kinghip without a reconstituted people, regathered as prophecy clearly states in the land of Israel as prophecy clearly states, sitting on the EARTHLY throne of his father David in EARTHLY Jerusalem as the prophecies clearly state?

Augustine the compromiser was dead wrong. Kicking Gods covenants kicking Gods prophecies and kicking Israel to the curb is heresy and blasphemy!
Your Claim Is False

Jesus Christ wont return to earth, and take a physical throne, hanging out with mortal humans as many falsely teach.

Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, he wont be found any place upon this earth, (Beware), Don't Be Deceived!

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
23,824
8,624
113
Jesus Christ wont return to earth, and take a physical throne, hanging out with mortal humans as many falsely teach.

Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, he wont be found any place upon this earth

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
These prophecies are literally everywhere and are profound in their unambiguity and significance.

Isa 2:1-4
The word which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. Now it will come about that
In the last days
The mountain of the house of the Lord
Will be established as the chief of the mountains,
And will be raised above the hills;
And all the [GENTILE] nations will stream to it.
And many [GENTILE...NOT CHRISTIAN NOT JEWS] peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
That He may teach us concerning His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For the law will go forth from Zion
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Need I remind you that the Abrahamic covenant has yet to be completely fulfilled and has to do with the LAND?

“To your descendants I have given this LAND, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
 

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2018
10,923
2,118
113
Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, he wont be found any place upon this earth, (Beware), Don't Be Deceived!
Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!
Matthew 24:23-27KJV

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
The CONTEXT of those words ^ is Jesus referring to the time period DURING the trib years, specific, limited (future) years which LEAD UP TO His "RETURN"...
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
ALL "Son of man coming/cometh/shall come/coming of/etc" passages refer to His Second Coming to the earth, to judge and to reign
(context not being "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]")
 

Truth7t7

Well-known member
May 19, 2020
7,685
2,496
113
These prophecies are literally everywhere and are profound in their unambiguity and significance.

Isa 2:1-4
The word which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. Now it will come about that
In the last days
The mountain of the house of the Lord
Will be established as the chief of the mountains,
And will be raised above the hills;
And all the [GENTILE] nations will stream to it.
And many [GENTILE...NOT CHRISTIAN NOT JEWS] peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
That He may teach us concerning His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For the law will go forth from Zion
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Need I remind you that the Abrahamic covenant has yet to be completely fulfilled and has to do with the LAND?

“To your descendants I have given this LAND, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
Your Claim Is False Again

Isaiah 2:1-5 is the (Eternal State) after the day of the Lord, you will closely note in verse 22 below, mans breath in his nostrils (Ceases) as the (Day Of The Lord) takes place, also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-12 below

Isaiah 2:12-22KJV
12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?


2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
 

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2018
10,923
2,118
113
Acts 1:11 -

"who also said, 'Men, Galileans, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, having been taken up from you into heaven, will thus come in that [same] manner you beheld Him going [/traveling] into heaven. "


That is, VISIBLY. This speaks of His Second Coming to the earth [again, not "our Rapture" context],

...and at that time, "every eye shall see Him" Rev1:7... (every eye existing on the earth, at that time ;) )
and even Job said "my eyes will behold Him"
Job19:25-27 -
"25
But I know that my Redeemer lives,
and in the end He will stand upon the earth.
26 Even after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God.
27 I will see Him for myself;
my eyes will behold Him,
and not as a stranger.
How my heart yearns within me!"
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
23,824
8,624
113
Might I add:

Acts 3:21 - [Peter, speaking to 'ye men of Israel' v.12]

"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration [G605] of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [that is, the OT prophets and OT prophecies]
Thank you. It does not get any clearer than that. There is absolutely no doubt that the early Church the beginning Church completely and fully understood that ethnic Israel will be redeemed yet future and Jesus is King of the Jews who will inevitably sit on his father's throne to rule over the house of Jacob.
 

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2018
10,923
2,118
113
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?
This verse carries more the meaning of, stop regarding mere man (rather than God), for what is "man" in view of our great God?!

See verse here:

https://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/2-22.htm

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/2-22.htm





Berean Study Bible
Put no more trust in man, who has only the breath in his nostrils. Of what account is he?

New American Standard Bible
Stop regarding man, whose breath of life is in his nostrils; For why should he be esteemed?

New King James Version
Sever yourselves from such a man, Whose breath is in his nostrils; For of what account is he?

King James Bible
Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?

Christian Standard Bible
Put no more trust in a mere human, who has only the breath in his nostrils. What is he really worth?

International Standard Version
"Stop trusting in human beings, whose life breath is in their nostrils, for what are they really worth?"


mans breath in his nostrils (Ceases) as the (Day Of The Lord) takes place
No.

The text does not suggest "man's breath ceases in the DOTL"


[the DOTL is a LENGTHY time period]
 

Tararose

Well-known member
Sep 30, 2020
753
565
93
Uk
www.101christiansocialnetwork.com
Thanks for the response

I have shared my view concerning satan being bound from (Deceiving The Nations To Battle) specifically, not all evil.

You believe satan is bound from all evil?

We will disagree
I believe WHEN he is bound up he will be imprisoned for a thousand years as the word says. But we were not talking about my beliefs. We were talking about what the scripture says and I have pointed the imprisonments parts Out in the very scripture you shared yet you wish not to acknowledge that part of the scripture in our exchanges.

This is why we cannot discuss what the meaning is. I cannot ignore clear and simple words in the verses in The immediate context. I do search further afield and yes scripture interprets scripture, and when the immediate context isn’t clear of course I look to the rest of the word for such clarity.

I had not intended carrying this on but I don’t like to ignore direct questions. I have tried to politely point out what seems fairly clear in immediate context of the verses quoted.

I don’t know what more we can say. We each clearly understand the way to interpret a verse differently - and that is just how it is.

At least we both seek truth from Gods word and I am sure He will direct each of us in His truths as we walk with Him and let Him continue to enlighten us in His way and His time. Bless you
 

Truth7t7

Well-known member
May 19, 2020
7,685
2,496
113
I believe WHEN he is bound up he will be imprisoned for a thousand years as the word says. But we were not talking about my beliefs. We were talking about what the scripture says and I have pointed the imprisonments parts Out in the very scripture you shared yet you wish not to acknowledge that part of the scripture in our exchanges.

This is why we cannot discuss what the meaning is. I cannot ignore clear and simple words in the verses in The immediate context. I do search further afield and yes scripture interprets scripture, and when the immediate context isn’t clear of course I look to the rest of the word for such clarity.

I had not intended carrying this on but I don’t like to ignore direct questions. I have tried to politely point out what seems fairly clear in immediate context of the verses quoted.

I don’t know what more we can say. We each clearly understand the way to interpret a verse differently - and that is just how it is.

At least we both seek truth from Gods word and I am sure He will direct each of us in His truths as we walk with Him and let Him continue to enlighten us in His way and His time. Bless you
You also believe a literal 1,000 year Kingdom upon this earth, with mortal humans exist, this in a future Millennial reign?

Is this seen in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

That seen below is 100% in the spiritual realm, no Kingdom or mortal humans are seen upon earth, yet many believe this (False Teaching) just one more example.

100% Spiritual, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

No Kingdom Or Mortal Humans Are Seen On This Earth, (None)

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
23,824
8,624
113
You also believe a 1,000 year literal Kingdom upon this earth, with mortal humans in a future Millennial reign is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 below, a false teaching and belief in itself.

That seen below is 100% in the spiritual realm, no Kingdom or mortal humans are seen upon earth, yet many believe this (False Teaching) just one more example.

100% Spiritual, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

No Kingdom Or Mortal Humans Are Seen On This Earth, (None)

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This may come as a shock but your exegesis makes no sense whatsoever.
Sorry but somebody had to say it.
 

Truth7t7

Well-known member
May 19, 2020
7,685
2,496
113
This may come as a shock but your exegesis makes no sense whatsoever.
Sorry but somebody had to say it.
Your response is void of a direct argument, because you are (Silenced) by the presented truth below :)

Many falsely believe and teach a literal 1,000 year Kingdom upon this earth, with mortal humans exist, this in a future Millennial reign?

Is this seen in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

That seen below is 100% in the spiritual realm, no Kingdom or mortal humans are seen upon earth, yet many believe this (False Teaching) just one more example.

100% Spiritual, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

No Kingdom Or Mortal Humans Are Seen On This Earth, (None) a Fictional Fairy Tale Of Man!

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2018
10,923
2,118
113
[...]
100% Spiritual, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ
[...]
4 [a] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: [v.4b] and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for [...]
The first part of v.4, so v.4a (distinct from the second part, v.4b)... corresponds with the following passage in Daniel 7 -

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them [see Rev13:5-7]; 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom UNDER the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
 

Blade

Well-known member
Nov 19, 2019
1,803
631
113
Pays to read (talking to myself). Well it just didn't make sense until "The tribulation is history (66-70AD), " for me there are so many problems with that. Speculation is not fact. Its nice to use and talk about but.. still is not fact. The 12/120 dead or still alive then.. John and writing Rev.. 144,000 the AC/False prophet. On and on. So to run with it as fact.. its not. Then not even talking about "great tribulation vs tribulation" And how the bible defines this.

"“chilias” and “chilioi” :) to say it really means "thousands".. yes to some it does and in some places in the word. Yet has it.. is it defined as "one thousand" "thousand" also? yes it is. Modern definition comes to mind. And.. not going to get into this. In the verses.. the "what' the "who many".. all comes into play. Some verses its talking about thousands. That does not mean other instances it still means thousands. ..not even touched 'article" yet You know "before after"?

How long has it been since man was created? I don't think its even be 6000 years yet.. could be close. 6000.. 1000.. 7000.. wow number 7.. what are the odds. Want to know whats coming.. learn the past.
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
23,824
8,624
113
Pays to read (talking to myself). Well it just didn't make sense until "The tribulation is history (66-70AD), " for me there are so many problems with that. Speculation is not fact. Its nice to use and talk about but.. still is not fact. The 12/120 dead or still alive then.. John and writing Rev.. 144,000 the AC/False prophet. On and on. So to run with it as fact.. its not. Then not even talking about "great tribulation vs tribulation" And how the bible defines this.

"“chilias” and “chilioi” :) to say it really means "thousands".. yes to some it does and in some places in the word. Yet has it.. is it defined as "one thousand" "thousand" also? yes it is. Modern definition comes to mind. And.. not going to get into this. In the verses.. the "what' the "who many".. all comes into play. Some verses its talking about thousands. That does not mean other instances it still means thousands. ..not even touched 'article" yet You know "before after"?

How long has it been since man was created? I don't think its even be 6000 years yet.. could be close. 6000.. 1000.. 7000.. wow number 7.. what are the odds. Want to know whats coming.. learn the past.
How long? Here is some food for thought.....
This theory contains some mathematical errors. For example the date of the exodus is 1603 BC. Give or take a couple of years. Furthermore one must use the Alexandrian LXX for proper dating of the patriarchs. But all in all it is very Llikely that this theory is correct.

www.biblemysteries.com/library/adam.htm