lets talk about gay people!!!
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One, it was 2,000 years ago, not three.
Two, the first and foremost duty of the church is to "go and make disciples" (Matthew 28:19,20). How do we make disciples. We call them to the truth, the Gospel of Christ.
What is that Gospel? Jesus died to pay the price of sin for all men, because all men are sinners. By His resurrection He forever defeated death for those who believe in faith through grace. We who are His strive earnestly to be free of sin, to love, honor, and obey Him.
What is sin? Sin is any worthless choice we make.
What makes it worthless? It is a choice that does not love, honor, and obey God.
How do we know when we fail to love, honor, and obey Him? His words tells us.
What does His word tell us about same-sex relationships? They. Are. Sin. Period.
You ask if you are saved as we are? If you have truly sought the love and forgiveness of Christ by admitting to your own stature as a sinner and made a true and faithful confession to God of being a sinner in need of a Savior, who is Christ, and He has accepted that profession of faith -- the key to salvation most forget -- then you are saved.
But ...if you have not acknowledged your sexual "orientation" as sin, and sought Him to help you overcome it as your Savior and Lord, you eternal status is in serious question. "Do not be deceived; God will not be mocked" (Galatians 6:7).
I refuse to say that one who engages homosexual, bisexual, or other sinful practices is "unsaved." I cannot know how, in their heart and spirit, they have given those things over to God. But if we blatantly stand before others and make the claim that such behaviors -- any behaviors classified as sin in God's word -- are not what He has called sin, then we are in jeopardy of eternal separation from God.
Once we settle God's view of sin, and accept it as our own, and strive mightly to conform to His will, then we can start worrying about hunger and homelessness. If we insist in living in our self-righteously built stronghold of sin, we are not fit to do His work
Two, the first and foremost duty of the church is to "go and make disciples" (Matthew 28:19,20). How do we make disciples. We call them to the truth, the Gospel of Christ.
What is that Gospel? Jesus died to pay the price of sin for all men, because all men are sinners. By His resurrection He forever defeated death for those who believe in faith through grace. We who are His strive earnestly to be free of sin, to love, honor, and obey Him.
What is sin? Sin is any worthless choice we make.
What makes it worthless? It is a choice that does not love, honor, and obey God.
How do we know when we fail to love, honor, and obey Him? His words tells us.
What does His word tell us about same-sex relationships? They. Are. Sin. Period.
You ask if you are saved as we are? If you have truly sought the love and forgiveness of Christ by admitting to your own stature as a sinner and made a true and faithful confession to God of being a sinner in need of a Savior, who is Christ, and He has accepted that profession of faith -- the key to salvation most forget -- then you are saved.
But ...if you have not acknowledged your sexual "orientation" as sin, and sought Him to help you overcome it as your Savior and Lord, you eternal status is in serious question. "Do not be deceived; God will not be mocked" (Galatians 6:7).
I refuse to say that one who engages homosexual, bisexual, or other sinful practices is "unsaved." I cannot know how, in their heart and spirit, they have given those things over to God. But if we blatantly stand before others and make the claim that such behaviors -- any behaviors classified as sin in God's word -- are not what He has called sin, then we are in jeopardy of eternal separation from God.
“But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes: you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source (p. 48).” Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
Once we settle God's view of sin, and accept it as our own, and strive mightly to conform to His will, then we can start worrying about hunger and homelessness. If we insist in living in our self-righteously built stronghold of sin, we are not fit to do His work
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No, you're saying this as a defense mechanism. Children do this when they do not understand, are afraid of it, or it goes against what everyone else does to fit in. There is nothing wrong with me, but you'd rather talk ABOUT me than to me. What you posted would not have even came out of your mouth if we were face to face. But this type of behavior is loved here.
When it comes to if being gay is a choice, I believe that it isn't. When certain events took place in my life...I found myself attracted to my dog...NOTHING HAPPENED! In fact I was very disturbed by it and I told the doctors about it and they said, "given what you have been through that's completely normal. Don't worry you won't do anything with your dog."
I also found myself attracted to women. I was also horrified by this. Anyway do you see my point? Like it isn't a choice but what you DO with it, is a choice....
btw there has been some great discussion and some very off-track discussion lol. Just keep in mind that we're all friends here. ;-)
I also found myself attracted to women. I was also horrified by this. Anyway do you see my point? Like it isn't a choice but what you DO with it, is a choice....
btw there has been some great discussion and some very off-track discussion lol. Just keep in mind that we're all friends here. ;-)
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You know what dude....I got mad at my wife today. Did I have a valid reason....probably. But the truth is that in letting my painful feelings dictate my attitude and demeanor towards her....I sinned against my wife. I sin every single day. Some of them I catch and repent for but I am positive that some slip by and I don't. Jesus is faithful....you need to learn to let Him be.
Mike Huckabee suggested that it is like smoking or drinking. A choice to sin or not to sin. Its not a sin to smoke or drink unless it becomes something greater than Christ in your life. Liking other people is not a sin even if they are of the same gender in a lot of cases its just normal but engaging in sex with a person of the same gender is sin. Really sex outside of marriage is sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is lust of women towards men (and sexual relations between these, whether in a marraige or as fornicators outside of marraige). There is also the lust of women towards women (and the sexual relations outside of the natural order of marraige between these also). And obviously the lust of men towards men (and the sexual relations between these outside of the natural order here also).
There is also the lust and desire for little children (by grown men and/or women) which is known as pedophila, and also the lust a human being has after animals and even the practicing of beastiality
All of these need to repent
Fornication is one of the very necessary things (from the start) given by the apostles through the Holy Ghost, and fornication is having sexual relations with any other outside of a natural marraige.
So all of the above would fall under that one
Women and men should have no sex outside of marraige = (fornication)
Which would also mean,
No sex with their same sex's (women with women, or men with men) which is unnatural
No sex with little children (pedophilia)
No sex with animals (beastility)
There is also the lust and desire for little children (by grown men and/or women) which is known as pedophila, and also the lust a human being has after animals and even the practicing of beastiality
All of these need to repent
Fornication is one of the very necessary things (from the start) given by the apostles through the Holy Ghost, and fornication is having sexual relations with any other outside of a natural marraige.
So all of the above would fall under that one
Women and men should have no sex outside of marraige = (fornication)
Which would also mean,
No sex with their same sex's (women with women, or men with men) which is unnatural
No sex with little children (pedophilia)
No sex with animals (beastility)