KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[MatthewG]

besides there are bibles that are before the king james version,

Im impressed by all the many different variations of bible translations they have out there for people, as long as the Gospel of Christ Jesus is intact, the general message about how the Word came down, as became Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour who dwelt on this earth, taught his disciples many things, and told them of things that would happen, like his death that would happen, and that He would be coming back to judge the lands.

That you can learn about the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Son of God, who died on the cross for the payment of sin for the whole entire world of humans, past, future, and present, all sin has been paid for by the blood shed of the Lord Jesus Christ.

That you can learn that God, and the Lord Jesus Christ love you, and you can have a relationship with them daily, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ who died on the cross, and was raised again on the third day by His Father.

Those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, are in dwelt by the Lord's spirit, the Holy Spirit, the comforter.

 

[John146]

Luke 10:1 "After these things the Lord appointed other SEVENTY also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come."

Many on this thread believe all Bibles are 100% historically true. Well, that is a very good standard - being 100% historically true - but unfortunately, this is not the case.

Here is just one of scores of examples I can list where there are completely different numbers or names given among today’s updated, revised, new and improved versions.

Luke 10:1, 17 - Did Jesus send out 70 or 72?


Luke 10:17 - “And the SEVENTY returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.”

ESV, NIV, NET - Luke 10:1, 17 "After this the Lord appointed SEVENTY-TWO others and sent them out on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go."

Which is historically accurate? If it is not 100% accurate in the historic details, then it is not the inerrant word of God.

Here Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, the so called oldest and best manuscripts upon which most modern versions are based, differ from each other. These two manuscripts differ in significant ways from each other more than 3000 times in the gospels alone.

If the Bible you read cannot be dependable for it's historical accuracy, it cannot be dependable for doctrine or matters of faith.

 

[Dino246]

Luke 10:1 "After these things the Lord appointed other SEVENTY also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come."
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If the Bible you read cannot be dependable for it's historical accuracy, it cannot be dependable for doctrine or matters of faith.

More fallacies based on your a priori position that the KJV is accurate.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Thou hath accomplifhed thine thoufandth poft! Confabulations!

 

[John146]

More fallacies based on your a priori position that the KJV is accurate.

The reading of SEVENTY is found in the majority of all texts including, A, C and Sinaiticus. It is also the reading of E, G, H, K, L, N, W, X, Delta, Theta, Pi, Psi, the Old Latin copies f, q, r1, and the Syriac Peshitta, Herclean and Palestinian, as well as the Coptic Boharic, Gothic, Ethiopian and Slavonic ancient versions.

The reading of SEVENTY is that of Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Cranmer’s Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible 1549, Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, The Beza N.T. 1599, Wesley’s N.T. 1755, The Alford N.T. 1870, the Revised Version 1885, the ASV 1901, Godbey N.T. 1902, The Weymouth N.T. 1903, The Moffatt N.T. 1913, Bible in Basic English 1961, The Phillips N.T. 1962, the NASB 1963 - 1995, NKJV 1982, RSV 1954, the Complete Jewish Bible 1998, The Koster Scriptures 1998, the Amplified 1987, the NRSV 1989 (by Bruce Metzger), KJV 21st Century 1994, God’s Word 1995, Third Millennium Bible 1998, Lawrie Translation 1998, God's First Truth 1999, The Last Days N.T. 1999, The Common N.T. 1999, The Sacred Scriptures Family of Yah 2001, the Message 2002, The Tomson N.T. 2002, The Apostolic Polyglot Bible 2003, the Holman Standard 2009, The New European Version 2010, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, Jubilee Bible 2010, Conservative Bible 2011, The Orthodox Jewish Bible 2011, The Voice 2012, Interlinear Hebrew-Greek Scriptures 2012 (Mebust), World English Bible 2012, Bond Slave Version 2012, The English Majority Text N.T. 2013, The Far Above All Translation 2014, The Hebrew Names Version 2014, The Pioneers’ N.T. 2014, International Standard Version 2014, The Modern Literal N.T. 2014 and the Modern English Version 2014.


Foreign Language Bibles - 70

Among foreign language Bibles that have our Lord Jesus sending out SEVENTY (and not 72) are the following: The Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, the Reina Valera 1909, 1960, 1995, the 1997 Biblia de las Américas, and the 2005 La Biblia de los Hispanos. Also reading 70 are the Italian Diodati 1649, the Riveduta 1927, the New Diodati 1991, La Parola e Vita 1997, the Portuguese Almeida, Luther’s German bible 1545, the German Elberfelder 1871, the Russian Synodal version, the Dutch Staten Vertaling, the Chinese Union Traditional bible, and both the modern Hebrew and the modern Greek Bibles.

However English versions like the NIV 1984-2011, NET and the 2001-2011 ESV (English Standard Version), along with the Catholic Douay, St. Joseph New American Bible 1970, and New Jerusalem bible 1985 all read “seventy TWO”, which is the reading of Vaticanus, D and P75.

It is of interest to see the scholars of the previous RSV and NRSV both read "70", but then the revision of the revision of the revision - the ESV - has now adopted the reading of "72”.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Luke 10:1 "After these things the Lord appointed other SEVENTY also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come."

Many on this thread believe all Bibles are 100% historically true. Well, that is a very good standard - being 100% historically true - but unfortunately, this is not the case.

Here is just one of scores of examples I can list where there are completely different numbers or names given among today’s updated, revised, new and improved versions.

Luke 10:1, 17 - Did Jesus send out 70 or 72?


Luke 10:17 - “And the SEVENTY returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.”

ESV, NIV, NET - Luke 10:1, 17 "After this the Lord appointed SEVENTY-TWO others and sent them out on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go."

Which is historically accurate? If it is not 100% accurate in the historic details, then it is not the inerrant word of God.

Here Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, the so called oldest and best manuscripts upon which most modern versions are based, differ from each other. These two manuscripts differ in significant ways from each other more than 3000 times in the gospels alone.

If the Bible you read cannot be dependable for it's historical accuracy, it cannot be dependable for doctrine or matters of faith.

Big deal.


Mine own bible sayeth

[h=4]Footnotes:[/h]

1. Luke 10:1 Some manuscripts seventy; also in verse 17

SOME MANUSCRIPTS.

 

[John146]

Big deal.


Mine own bible sayeth

Footnotes:

1. Luke 10:1 Some manuscripts seventy; also in verse 17

SOME MANUSCRIPTS.

Can your bible be trusted or the footnotes? Which? This creates confusion to the reader. Throw it out. Get you a bible that can be trusted in the words of the reading.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I am gaining an all new appreciation for the NIV which I have been reading for years. Thank thee gentlemen.

 

[John146]

I am gaining an all new appreciation for the NIV which I have been reading for years. Thank thee gentlemen.

Did Jesus send out 70 or 72? There is historical fact to be had in this passage.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The Orthodox Jewish Bible reads shivim (seventy)

 

[preston39]

besides there are bibles that are before the king james version,

Im impressed by all the many different variations of bible translations they have out there for people, as long as the Gospel of Christ Jesus is intact, the general message about how the Word came down, as became Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour who dwelt on this earth, taught his disciples many things, and told them of things that would happen, like his death that would happen, and that He would be coming back to judge the lands.

That you can learn about the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Son of God, who died on the cross for the payment of sin for the whole entire world of humans, past, future, and present, all sin has been paid for by the blood shed of the Lord Jesus Christ.

That you can learn that God, and the Lord Jesus Christ love you, and you can have a relationship with them daily, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ who died on the cross, and was raised again on the third day by His Father.

Those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, are in dwelt by the Lord's spirit, the Holy Spirit, the comforter.

M...,

That's the problem...they aren't. The changes are purposed toward changing the meaning and intent.

Example; God's instead of G-d is translated in one.

I called the editorial board rep who said; Don't you believe in The Trinity..I said yes....he said they are three gods.

Enough for me. You be the judge.

 

[Dino246]

Can your bible be trusted or the footnotes? Which? This creates confusion to the reader. Throw it out. Get you a bible that can be trusted in the words of the reading.

As the 1611 KJV had marginal notes, your comment is utterly hypocritical. Get some integrity... and some sound reasoning while you're at it.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Can your bible be trusted or the footnotes? Which? This creates confusion to the reader. Throw it out. Get you a bible that can be trusted in the words of the reading.

Would you like to have a good old-fashioned book-burning? Get rid of all the texts which make you feel threatened?

 

[trofimus]

The reading of SEVENTY is found in the majority of all texts

Can you please, once for all, tell me, what is your position?

Is what the majority of manuscripts says relevant or not?

If it is, why it is OK that the KJV has some readings that are not majority readings?

 

[trofimus]

Did Jesus send out 70 or 72? There is historical fact to be had in this passage.

Just a question... how is this an evil corruption, changing ouf faith?

 

[KJV1611]

Did Jesus send out 70 or 72? There is historical fact to be had in this passage.

This is what just kills me! How the heck do people who study the bible not KNOW beyond the shadow of any doubt which number is correct.

We have people with that type of ignorance trying to correct the KJV... the height of stupidity lol.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Can you please, once for all, tell me, what is your position?

Is what the majority of manuscripts says relevant or not?

If it is, why it is OK that the KJV has some readings that are not majority readings?

Give them enough rope.....

 

[Chester]

This is what just kills me! How the heck do people who study the bible not KNOW beyond the shadow of any doubt which number is correct.

We have people with that type of ignorance trying to correct the KJV... the height of stupidity lol.

LOL! Who is trying to "correct" the KJV? Most of us care most about what the original manuscript said - that is what we are trying to find out.

The original manuscript, not the 1611 KJV is our standard.

If someone can produce the original manuscript that will be the proof? LOL!

 

[Musicus]

Did Jesus send out 70 or 72? There is historical fact to be had in this passage.

Can your bible be trusted or the footnotes? Which? This creates confusion to the reader. Throw it out. Get you a bible that can be trusted in the words of the reading.

Yes, I trust my NIV and its footnotes. I trust my KJV and its footnotes. Together as a team I trust ALL my bible versions and their collective footnotes. What do you think will happen to you if it turns out to have been 72, since you are a believer of only the 70 version? Is there some kind of bad thing you think will happen? Maybe the non-72'ers will get stuck with paper napkins at the Great Feast instead of cloth for our stubborn error.

 

[Chester]

Did Jesus send out 70 or 72? There is historical fact to be had in this passage.

Exactly!

(1) Were you there? How many did he send out?

(2) Or, do you have the original inspired manuscript that tells us?

If neither # 1 nor #2 then let's together try to figure out the closest we can what the original manuscript said.

Or, LOL!, another option is to make a later version of Scripture the inspired true text and use that for our basis of comparison. You may do that! I will not!