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Magenta

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I turned 80 last July.
Happy belated birthday wishes! May God continue to richly bless you :D

By the grace of God I may reach that venerable number :unsure:

It occurs to me some days I am fortunate to be alive :cool:

And I am grateful to God every day for that fact :love:
 
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Happy belated birthday wishes! May God continue to richly bless you :D

By the grace of God I may reach that venerable number :unsure:

It occurs to me some days I am fortunate to be alive :cool:

And I am grateful to God every day for that fact :love:
DITTO!!!!!!
 

Magenta

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I have tried reading some of Philip Scaff's 'History of The Christian Church' but
find it a tough slog. Schaff refers to so many sources it seems easy to get stuck
in weeds or going down a rabbit hole with his work. At least that is for me.
I find much of academia like that. Even most Bible commentaries :censored:
Some really like listening to/reading preachers of yore. Ugh.
I do listen to the radio, kari55 - and it is available online also.

I must admit I do not care for all the teachers and expositors,
but even those I am not fond of, I can learn from. And some of
them no longer walk this world, either... ;)
 
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From the commentary of Alexander MacLaren, on Mark 6
The elders of Nazareth had seen Jesus grow up, and to them He would be ‘the carpenter’s son’ still. The more important people had known the humbleness of His home, and could not adjust themselves to look up to Him, instead of down. His equals in age would find their boyish remembrances too strong for accepting Him as a prophet. All of them did just what the most of us would have done, when they took it for certain that the Man whom they had known so well, as they fancied, could not be a prophet, to say nothing of the Messiah so long looked for. It is easy to blame them; but it is better to learn the warning in their words, and to take care that we are not blind to some true messenger of God just because we have been blessed with close companionship with him. Many a household has had to wait for death to take away the prophet before they discern him. Some of us entertain ‘angels unawares,’ and have bitterly to feel, when too late, that our eyes were holden that we should not know them.

You would do well to also go to the Librivox site and listen to recordings of some of Jonathan Edwards works.
 
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I find much of academia like that. Even most Bible commentaries :censored:
Some really like listening to/reading preachers of yore. Ugh.
I do listen to the radio, kari55 - and it is available online also.

I must admit I do not care for all the teachers and expositors,
but even those I am not fond of, I can learn from. And some of
them no longer walk this world, either... ;)
Yep...Yep....Yep....Some commentaries seem to be beyond comprehension. Some are for the erudite only it seems but it may be the erudite were arguing among themselves in trying to resolve a controversial issue which is not evident to or considered by the average reader e.g. The source material may be in such poor condition that a letter of one word being difficult to distinguish may render a completely different interpretation depending on determination of that letter. I have also read that the commentators would also consider some scribal errors, saying at times the scribes were working under austere conditions and possibly pressured to complete their work. So a jot or a tittle may start a controversy. LOTS LIKE THIS CHAT FORUM. LOL
 
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To whom it may concern; in the word's of Charlotte, the manager of the AA club I first attended in 1989........"Get off the cross we need the nails"
 

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You're ignoring Jesus' language. In a nutshell, at John 20:22 Jesus BREATHED on the disciples, and said: "receive ye the Holy Spirit" - i.e. He ministered the INDWELLING Holy Spirit, making them Born Again Christians.

Acts 2:4, the disciples who were already INFILLED By the Holy Spirit were ENDUED (externally clothed with) the Holy Spirit / Power from on high. and THAT'S the point at which the "Speaking in Tongues" occurred, specifically in KNOWN LANGUAGES.

In 1 Cor 14, the "Tongues" are NOT stated to be "KNOWN LANGUAGES of anyone there present, necessitating the Gift of "Interpretation of Tongues. God isn't a "One trick pony". So the tongues of Acts 2:4, don't HAVE TO BE the same as Tongues in 1 Cor 14.

Secondly, what is
PSST!! "In the NAME OF" means with the AUTHORITY OF. In order to HAVE AUTHORITY, one must be UNDER THE AUTHORITY of the Authority giver. (Remember Jesus and the Centurion).
 

Magenta

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I might be ten yrs behind you but I'm gaining.
Not too long ago it struck me with some force that I am almost seventy o_O

That sounds old :LOL: I am not there yet, but I hope to make it some day :D
 
You're ignoring Jesus' language. In a nutshell, at John 20:22 Jesus BREATHED on the disciples, and said: "receive ye the Holy Spirit" - i.e. He ministered the INDWELLING Holy Spirit, making them Born Again Christians.

Acts 2:4, the disciples who were already INFILLED By the Holy Spirit were ENDUED (externally clothed with) the Holy Spirit / Power from on high. and THAT'S the point at which the "Speaking in Tongues" occurred, specifically in KNOWN LANGUAGES.

In 1 Cor 14, the "Tongues" are NOT stated to be "KNOWN LANGUAGES of anyone there present, necessitating the Gift of "Interpretation of Tongues. God isn't a "One trick pony". So the tongues of Acts 2:4, don't HAVE TO BE the same as Tongues in 1 Cor 14.



PSST!! "In the NAME OF" means with the AUTHORITY OF. In order to HAVE AUTHORITY, one must be UNDER THE AUTHORITY of the Authority giver. (Remember Jesus and the Centurion).
Vain man, I have no desire to take heed unto your abominable mental gymnastics. For there is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD. The words of God are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. It is written, the froward is abomination to the LORD. Why dost thou not understand his speech? Even because thou canst not hear his word. Thou art of thy father the devil, and the lusts of thy father thou wilt do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 
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Not too long ago it struck me with some force that I am almost seventy o_O

That sounds old :LOL: I am not there yet, but I hope to make it some day :D
Three score plus ten but somewhere else gives an extra 10 and a poem by Oliver Wendell Douglas....oops not Douglas but Holmes....about the one horse shay built in such a wonderful way it lasted a hundred years to the day......shoot for that???????
 

true_believer

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The 1611 KJV is very poetic. But for serious Bible study, I find that the NKJV is definitely more readable.
Just a side note; The actor Kirk Cameron is a fan of the Geneva Bible which was published a few years prior to the KJV.
 
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Billy Graham went crazy at the latter end of his life.
Maybe Billy Graham went crazy early in his life? How can a Muslim receive salvation as Muslims like Jews generally reject Jesus as Saviour?
 

ResidentAlien

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The 1611 KJV is very poetic. But for serious Bible study, I find that the NKJV is definitely more readable.
Just a side note; The actor Kirk Cameron is a fan of the Geneva Bible which was published a few years prior to the KJV.
If I had to pick someone to give me a Bible recommendation, Cameron would be pretty far down the list. Christian celebrities aren't the best people to look up to.
 
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If I had to pick someone to give me a Bible recommendation, Cameron would be pretty far down the list. Christian celebrities aren't the best people to look up to.
I am not sure who Cameron is but I have worked in Hollywood and most of So. Cal. and don't recall too many people advocating for Christ and looking back, those who were I now consider to be suspect in their advocacy. Possibly one person comes to mind as seeming to have been 'Christian'. But I will qualify this by saying my perspective was very distorted at that time but is much better now and hindsight while not 20/20 is much better. And now I am coming to the realization while there are people who are seriously seeking the things of heaven they are certainly difficult to discern just like the difficulty in discerning an exquisitely made counterfeit bill.
 

Blik

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No king had anything to do with the actual writing of the KJV. The actual translating (writing) of the KJV was done by a committee of 47 scholars and clergymen over the course of many years. They did a wonderful job. One individual—Richard Bancroft, the archbishop of Canterbury—was notable for having the role of overseer of the project.
Ir is impossible to translate with absolute accuracy one language into another, but they did a job the reflects the Lord.

The history that affects this translation is the history of the gentile persecuting the Jews. This was considered proper during the time the KVJ was written, and you can see this idea reflected in such as their translation of Passover as Easter.
 
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No king had anything to do with the actual writing of the KJV. The actual translating (writing) of the KJV was done by a committee of 47 scholars and clergymen over the course of many years. They did a wonderful job. One individual—Richard Bancroft, the archbishop of Canterbury—was notable for having the role of overseer of the project.
Ir is impossible to translate with absolute accuracy one language into another, but they did a job the reflects the Lord.

The history that affects this translation is the history of the gentile persecuting the Jews. This was considered proper during the time the KVJ was written, and you can see this idea reflected in such as their translation of Passover as Easter.
About a year ago I wrote out a list of the translators as given on Wikipedia and started looking up each one, again on Wikipedia. I realize this reliance on Wikipedia will get the antiwikies comments but I never see anyone posting any of their references. I think they receive information by osmosis while on the toilet. As I was saying, Wikipedia has very limited info on the translators and I find Lucy Worsleys' tilt on English and British and Scottish and possibly Irish history to be believable and feel it would be enlightening if she or someone like her would research the historic events concerning the realization of the KJV. I haven't read enough of Philip Schaff's 'History of the Christian Church' to know if he covers this topic, but the early part of his work which I read is very involved and difficult to pursue. One interesting item which I have tried discussing with a teacher from House of Jacob is the financial support which Kimchi was given by the Yahya family which I am certain everyone that reads this is well aware of since they are such resourceful individuals and will readily set the record straight as to how much significance monetary aid to a Jewish Biblical scholar whose work was purportedly used in the translation of the KJV had on same. My guess, the answer will be the same as the teacher at House of Jacob. which is, 'Rabbi..!!..means nothing'. In other words, when you have no idea who or what is introduced as possibly significant regarding the subject the answer is to react contemptuously. Yubbaduddado!!! ps I am not certain that Kimchi was a Rabbi.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Vain man, I have no desire to take heed unto your abominable mental gymnastics.


Chuckle!!! SO then - you have no answer AT ALL for what I presented, and all you're capable of is hateful invective.
BUT HEY!!! I'll try to deal with your rejection (sob).
 

John146

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Never go to the book of Acts for doctrine for the body of Christ. It's a transition book. I have the Holy Spirit which has sealed me for the day of redemption. Anyone speaking in tongues today may have a devil. Tongues are a sign for the Jews. I walk by faith, not by sight.