****Justified DIVORCE****

[Truth7t7]

Woman caught in adultery is a bad example. Adultery is still a sin in the OT and NT; it is not okay in the NT. You are saying that marrying former spouse is an abomination in the OT, but not in the NT?

Yes I am stating that the law of Moses has been replaced by the shed blood upon Calvary

As is clearly seen, many types of food were an abomination prior to the Cross of Calvary, as is clearly seen,the abomination has been removed

Every creature is good for food now, received with thanksgiving

Enough said, it's yours

Leviticus 11:9-12KJV
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

1 Timothy 4:3-5KJV
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Acts 11:4-10KJV
4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

 

[Tararose]

Yes I am stating that the law of Moses has been replaced by the shed blood upon Calvary

As is clearly seen, many types of food were an abomination prior to the Cross of Calvary, as is clearly seen,the abomination has been removed

Every creature is good for food now, received with thanksgiving

Enough said, it's yours

Leviticus 11:9-12KJV
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

1 Timothy 4:3-5KJV
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Acts 11:4-10KJV
4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

Romans states A wife is BOUND to her husband BY LAW.
Jesus was reminding JEWS UNDER LAW that it was until death do us part according to LAW.

Romans 7
7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

WAIT FOR IT...... THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE ABOVE VERSES IS ......
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;

SO, with that understanding fresh in your mind please read the following verse and just stop condemning people for breaking THE LAW in one breath and then saying they aren't under it in another and confusing and condemning the poor folks who have been through enough torment as it is with the pain and stigma of divorce - and just leave people to abide by their convictions on this matter before God!

1 cor 7 v 15

But if the husband or wife who isn’t a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the believing husband or wife is no longer bound to the other, for God has called you to live in peace.)\

 

[Truth7t7]

You cannot claim Jesus broke the law surely? or encouraged anyone else to for that matter!

1 John 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

No He did not - could not- break the law, NOT even as an act of mercy.
He could not have been our sin offering, for a Jew to break a command of God is for a JEW TO SIN!

John 8 v 46
Which one of you convicts me of sin? (IE. BREAKING THE LAW)

Rather the phrases brought her for the specific purpose of TRICKING Jesus using the law.

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.

If he had said stone her, how was it a trick? What would they gain if he agreed with them?
Remember these were the supposed teachers and keepers of the law, they knew full well the requirements of such a law and they knew how to how to twist the law of God for their purposes. If it was so black and white in law, why did they expect him to fall at such a question?

The law demanded not that THE WOMAN caught IN THE ACT should be stoned to death - but that the man and the woman be stoned to death. As ever there must be evidence for the law to call someone guilty.... where was that man she committed the act with?
They did not bring him.

Deut 22
22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die

Jesus knew full well there that to stone her on her own was not the command.
The law always required evidence for the death penalty.
The evidence for the woman being caught in the act was not presented, only an accusation was presented.

WHERE WAS THE MAN SHE WAS CAUGHT WITH?

To say let her go, the phrases would have made him seem as if he was breaking the law, and if he said stone her, the pharasees would have said he was unrighteous to be willing to stone a woman on her own, without demanding they brought forth the man she committed adultery with as the law commanded.

They presented No evidence, no man was brought, so he was under no obligation by law to stone her. He broke no law. He was wise enough not to bother challenging them as he knew their motives, so simply put the matter of being a sinner on the table to reveal their hearts.

It is better to know the whole law than half of it, so that we can better understand why Jesus did and said what He did, living as a JEW UNDER LAW and speaking to JEWS UNDER LAW.

Deuteronomy 17:6KJV
6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

John 8:4-11KJV
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Yes I am stating that the law of Moses has been replaced by the shed blood upon Calvary

As is clearly seen, many types of food were an abomination prior to the Cross of Calvary, as is clearly seen,the abomination has been removed

Every creature is good for food now, received with thanksgiving

Enough said, it's yours

Leviticus 11:9-12KJV
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

1 Timothy 4:3-5KJV
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Acts 11:4-10KJV
4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

Certain things that were not allowed in the OT, with respect to food laws, circumcision, Sabbath, but okay in the NT are specified in the NT. However things that were abominations in the OT continue to be abominations in the NT, such as lying, stealing, adultery, etc. Where does it say in the Bible that the woman, 1) should divorce her second husband, and 2) marry the first husband? I am not convinced.

 

[Tararose]

Deuteronomy 17:6KJV
6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

John 8:4-11KJV
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

You ignored my questions and the law. You quoted the words of the pharasees as it if were the law, when I gave you the source they were twisting in their attack on Christ. You would have fallen for the trick hook line and sinker sadly.

Where was the man - the law stated : STONE THEM TO DEATH, not STONE HER TO DEATH.
If you think Jesus broke the law then you have no saviour! A frightening belief. To break the law is SIN. My Saviour NEVER BROKE THE LAW.

see post 179 for supporting scriptural evidence

 

[Truth7t7]

1 cor 7 v 15
But if the husband or wife who isn’t a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the believing husband or wife is no longer bound to the other, for God has called you to live in peace.)

Are you reading the amplified children's translation, I noticed you haven't revealed it

My Holy Bible KJV States (Bondage) not (Bound)

Bondage Has Absolutely Nothing To Do With Biblical Marital Law.

A person cant be married to another while the spouse is living, (Adultery)

1 Corinthians 7:15KJV
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

 

[Tararose]

Are you reading the amplified children's translation, I noticed you haven't revealed it

My Holy Bible KJV States (Bondage) not (Bound)

Bondage Has Absolutely Nothing To Do With Biblical Marital Law.

A person cant be married to another while the spouse is living, (Adultery)

1 Corinthians 7:15KJV
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

I never bother nit picking if they all say the same... But it doesn't matter which you read if you don't want to believe all of it

 

[Tararose]

I never bother nit picking if they all say the same... But it doesn't matter which you read if you don't want to believe all of it

You will find in the original it means literally to LOOSE, UNBIND, let go. not in bondage, not bound. as you wish, I hope that you don't choke on the camel though.

 

[Truth7t7]

Certain things that were not allowed in the OT, with respect to food laws, circumcision, Sabbath, but okay in the NT are specified in the NT. However things that were abominations in the OT continue to be abominations in the NT, such as lying, stealing, adultery, etc. Where does it say in the Bible that the woman, 1) should divorce her second husband, and 2) marry the first husband? I am not convinced.

When a husband is re-married while their spouse lives it's adultery

If the husband divorces the person in the 2nd marriage and repents, they are forgiven by the Lord, and must remain single or return to their spouse, no other options

Yes the spouse that was cheated upon has a right to divorce the husband, and not take him back, but if the wife forgives the husband they can remarry.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

If the husband divorces the person in the 2nd marriage and repents, they are forgiven by the Lord, and must remain single or return to their spouse, no other options

What happens if the couple from the second marriage has kids, especially young kids?

 

[Tararose]

What happens if the couple from the second marriage has kids, especially young kids?

It really makes no difference, 2 wrongs don't make a right. There is no scriptural evidence he has to divorce the second wife, and only scriptural evidence he must not go back to the first wife after he remarried.

Jesus technically never forbid a man to have 2 or more wives actually. He didn't encourage it, but he just stated that the man must not divorce one to marry the other. The law says the same. The provision for the first must remain unchanged.

Of course Paul brings it in that a man should only have one wife as a clear instruction. so we aren't in any confusion about that now. But someone with more than one wife couldn't be an elder as it conflicts with the newer rules of christianity, he didn't have to divorce them but it was not the best example of Gods ideal for family life.

 

[Tararose]

It really makes no difference, 2 wrongs don't make a right. There is no scriptural evidence he has to divorce the second wife, and only scriptural evidence he must not go back to the first wife after he remarried.


Jesus technically never forbid a man to have 2 or more wives actually. He didn't encourage it, but he just stated that the man must not divorce one to marry the other. The law says the same. The provision for the first must remain unchanged.

I forgot to add the verse ...
exodus 21 v 10
If he takesanother wife, he must not reduce the food,clothing, or marital rights of his first wife. 11If, however, he does not provide her with these three things, she is free to go without monetary payment

Remember, this would have been in line with the command NOT TO COMMIT ADULTERY, as God is not contradictory and both these are written in the books of the law of Moses. They stand complimentary and in aline with one another, as much as some do not like it.

The only way to have a right understanding is to use ALL of scripture and not ignore parts that don't fit our agenda or understanding. If God makes a change, He tells us He is making a change. It Is not really very confusing if we look at all the verses in context to understand.

 

[anonymous777888]

When we divorced we had share custody, I wanted to try and keep life somewhat normal for them to finish High School They stayed with him 4 days a week, I drove 25 miles every morning and made sure they made it to school, I had them rest of the time and summers- Things became heated between him and the kids on the days he had them , to the point my grown son finally calling me to come get him for good, he was never going back. He beat my child on more than one occasion, and I stood and watched in horror. I then had to drive back and forth 30 miles twice a day so my son could finish high school, after we divorced my daughter was still there 4 days trying to finish school also. He attacked her beating her with a belt buckle and his fist pulling out chunks of her hair. I called the Cops. My grown daughter tried to jump out of my car, when I did for fear he would retaliate against her, she finally forgave him, about a year later he attacked the then girlfriend he as seeing, after I told her about his past. She thought I was just being the jealous ex wife. (LOL). She started texting me @ 1am on a Sunday Morning- saying I could have him. He attacked her- she said , I seen the rage in his eyes. I knew exactly what she was saying. ( almost like the look of Satan- Scary). He to my knowledge has not attacked another person. He figured he needs to stay under the radar, now more than one person could claim of abuse. He is the type of person that likes to catch you off guard or blindsided. He always told me the entire time we were married, if I ever left him he would kill me, like I said he has sense remarried, hoping that occupies his mind. But I never let my guard down, I fear one day he will return. I just pray for God to protect me and my children who have lived with me fulltime before they graduate HS.

Having been abused and knowing of a verse In THE BIBLE, It Plainly Say'S That those who do not take care of their family have denied the Faith.

You can move on, God Isn't Someone who want's you to live with an abuser, if that's what's going on, much less children. Forgiving someone, and trusting someone and staying safe is two tottaly separate thing's. remember satan got kicked out of Heaven. God and satan don't "hang out!"but check THE BIBLE to make sure. God determine's everything.

 

[Truth7t7]

What happens if the couple from the second marriage has kids?

The man would support and care for them

Sorta like getting in a car accident, and having to pay for the accident, but on a larger scale.

 

[Truth7t7]

Having been abused and knowing of a verse In THE BIBLE, It Plainly Say'S That those who do not take care of their family have denied the Faith.

You can move on, God Isn't Someone who want's you to live with an abuser, if that's what's going on, much less children. Forgiving someone, and trusting someone and staying safe is two tottaly separate thing's. remember satan got kicked out of Heaven. God and satan don't "hang out!"but check THE BIBLE to make sure. God determine's everything.

You dont know the exact situation, if the husband was truly repentant, going to counseling, etc

There is always room for repentance dear anonymous, and yes the wife has that choice to remain single until he is dead, if that's her desire.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus technically never forbid a man to have 2 or more wives actually. He didn't encourage it, but he just stated that the man must not divorce one to marry the other. The law says the same. The provision for the first must remain unchanged.

It appears you must be from a back in the woods Mormon sect in Utah, or some other polygamist society in the world, UK?

Now Jesus is giving the green light on 2 or more wives, Big Smiles!

I'll run that past the wife, and see what she thinks

 

[Tararose]

It appears you must be from a back in the woods Mormon sect in Utah, or some other polygamist society in the world, UK?

Now Jesus is giving the green light on 2 or more wives, Big Smiles!

I'll run that past the wife, and see what she thinks

you are pretty selective on which parts of my responses you acknowledge and quote, a bit like the way you use your same selective verses to back up your agenda, really sad to have wasted so much time trying to have a healthy discussion with you. I won't be playing your game anymore, there are scriptures against that too but maybe you choose not to acknowledge those? its getting boring now, I will leave others to play your game. Big Smiles don't cover the nastiness either btw... leave you to the Lord.

 

[anonymous777888]

You dont know the exact situation, if the husband was truly repentant, going to counseling, etc

There is always room for repentance dear anonymous, and yes the wife has that choice to remain single until he is dead, if that's her desire.

Although I don't know the exact situation, The Bible Make'S clear emphasis that if a non-believer leave's a person is no bound, hence, not Liable to the Concept of marriage for life. Now, in the case of abuse, repentance is about no longer doing what you once did. A marriage can not be sustained if a person is abusive, much less if that person is harming children. That person should be shot and gutted.

abuser's do not get better. they are in love with satan.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

It's so sad/scary how a person's life can be RUINED by marrying the wrong person.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

I don't think it is God's will that we marry an abuser (someone correct me if I'm wrong) so somewhere along the way the person who married the abuser may not have listened to God (about his/her fiancee)?