But they are saved because they "worked" to give their sins to the Lord with repentance. They then became like people who did not sin, they were forgiven of their sins. If they had kept being murderers instead of giving it to Christ (or the symbolic blood of Christ) then they would not be saved. They worked out their own salvation and took on the righteousness of Christ.
Justified by work vs faith
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Ephesians 4:30 says - Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption. *Nothing is mentioned about being UN-sealed by the Holy Spirit if you grieve the Holy Spirit. You are reading your own ideas (eisegesis) into the text.
As Greek scholar AT Robertson points out - Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God (mh lupeite to pneuma to agion tou qeou). "Cease grieving" or "do not have the habit of grieving." Who of us has not sometimes grieved the Holy Spirit?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/ephesians/ephesians-4-30.html
As Greek scholar AT Robertson points out - Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God (mh lupeite to pneuma to agion tou qeou). "Cease grieving" or "do not have the habit of grieving." Who of us has not sometimes grieved the Holy Spirit?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/ephesians/ephesians-4-30.html
John 6:39 - This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. So much for believers/saints/Christians going to hell. It's those who do not believe who are not His sheep (John 10:26) and do not have these promises.
John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. So much for believers/saints/Christians going to hell. It's those who do not believe who are not His sheep (John 10:26) and do not have these promises.
In Matthew 5:13, Jesus points out that you are the salt of the earth. Before the days of refrigeration, salt was used as a preservative for meat. It was used to bring flavor to food. Jesus' call for followers to be "salt of the earth" symbolically, carries those uses into our spiritual lives. As salt helps preserve meat from decay, believers in Jesus help to preserve humanity from decay. Salt changes the flavor of food, just as the influence of believers can change a culture. Salt losing it's saltiness results in the salt being made it useless. The point here is not about loss of salvation, but a loss of purpose. "Bad salt" isn't destroyed or burnt, it's simply walked on and ignored.
Matthew 5:13 (AMP) - “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has lost its taste (purpose), how can it be made salty? It is no longer good for anything, but to be thrown out and walked on by people [when the walkways are wet and slippery].
More eisegesis.
Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
Matthew 5:13 (AMP) - “You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has lost its taste (purpose), how can it be made salty? It is no longer good for anything, but to be thrown out and walked on by people [when the walkways are wet and slippery].
More eisegesis.
Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
Romans 3:20,24,28;5:1,9
1Corinthians 6:11
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is NOT justified by the works of the law,BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST,even we have believed in Jesus Christ,that WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST,and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
No amount of works make us worthy of redemption ,it is by grace ( God's unmerited favour) and faith in Jesus's act of payment for our sin debt that we are saved .
We are commanded to work by the Spirit in the works of righteousness that God has ordained for us to do in our walk.
In addressing the OP.
1Corinthians 6:11
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is NOT justified by the works of the law,BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST,even we have believed in Jesus Christ,that WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST,and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
No amount of works make us worthy of redemption ,it is by grace ( God's unmerited favour) and faith in Jesus's act of payment for our sin debt that we are saved .
We are commanded to work by the Spirit in the works of righteousness that God has ordained for us to do in our walk.
In addressing the OP.
A common, and wide spread misconception is the misunderstanding of salvation. Salvation, or conversion after repentance, is when one is baptized into the body of Christ, by the Holy Spirit, and has become a member of it. It in effect, is not a joining of a local church, (by which we should obtain learning and fellowship), but a part of THE church, Christ's Body, which is Spiritual. Here is where a lot of believers think that conversion is the "end all". But it is just the beginning, not of our salvation, that has already taken place, but our walk of obedience, or the working out and proving of our faith. To not bare any fruits of righteousness or to walk according to the world or flesh nature, is not what God intends for his people.
Yep, obidience is fruit of the Holy Spirit. Salvation not by work, but some time create a Lot of work. Like I say oN op
It happen to Noah, his faith make him do a thousand hours of work, build giant ship manually
It wasn't power tool than.
Salvation not by work, start by faith> obidience> some time obidience mean work hard, some time not
It happen to Noah, his faith make him do a thousand hours of work, build giant ship manually
It wasn't power tool than.
Salvation not by work, start by faith> obidience> some time obidience mean work hard, some time not
Yes and what people need to obey to be saved today is not to " go build Ark " its ' believe the Gospel . Anything more or less is to deny the Gospel .
Rom 6.17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye HAVE obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine ( the gospel ) which was delivered you.
1 cor 15
1¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3¶For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Now because of the way the mind of those who hold to works salvation they will ignore everything in the verses and be ' triggered ' by the word ' if ' in verse 2 . However its simply saying to those who may have not believed the message it would be in vain .
Rom 6.17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye HAVE obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine ( the gospel ) which was delivered you.
1 cor 15
1¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3¶For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Now because of the way the mind of those who hold to works salvation they will ignore everything in the verses and be ' triggered ' by the word ' if ' in verse 2 . However its simply saying to those who may have not believed the message it would be in vain .
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Seal mean protected, or save
So seal mean save or inherit the kingdom
That mean not seal = not save
When you murder you not inherit the ke
Back to Galatians 5:21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
So seal mean save or inherit the kingdom
That mean not seal = not save
When you murder you not inherit the ke
Back to Galatians 5:21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
I see that you could not produce a Bible verse that says, “not sealed anymore.”
In Galatians 5:21, other translations say those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 gives us a similar list of sins and states that the unrighteous who are characterized by such sins will not inherit the kingdom of God. In verse 11, we read - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
So it’s the unrighteous/unbelievers who practice such things and not believers. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (NASB)
In Galatians 5:21, other translations say those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 gives us a similar list of sins and states that the unrighteous who are characterized by such sins will not inherit the kingdom of God. In verse 11, we read - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
So it’s the unrighteous/unbelievers who practice such things and not believers. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (NASB)