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If you will give the location and time signature of a post you would rather not repost for me, I will read and respond to that one.
The Eternal Justification of God's Elect is foundationed upon Christ's Eternal Suretyship, and we know He was an Surety of a better Covenant from here Heb 7:22
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
The question is when did this take place ? I believe it reaches as far back as from Everlasting Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Ps 103:17
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
John Gill writes of this verse :
I.a surety, a sponsor
Now what is a sponser ? Its defined as:
a person who vouches or is responsible for a person or thing. or it can be in the plural as for persons !
I believe it was in the Everlasting Covenant, a Covenant formed by the Triune God before the World began, that the Son of God was made Surety of God's People of the Elect Heb 13:20, and in this Eternal Suretyship, the Sins and Condemnation of the Elect were agreed upon to be His responsibility to Satisfy all of their Violations of God's Law, and so, by this agreement, as far as God's Law and Justice was concerned, they were Justified from all their sins and free from any punishment due to them personally, but it would be meted out in the Person and Work of their Surety, and they were Justified from all sin then !
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
The question is when did this take place ? I believe it reaches as far back as from Everlasting Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Ps 103:17
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
John Gill writes of this verse :
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. Or "covenant", for the word signifies both; and what is intended may be called both a testament and a covenant; a testament, because it is founded in the good will and pleasure of God, and respects an inheritance bequeathed by God the Father to his children, which was confirmed and comes to them by the death of Christ the testator; and a covenant, it being a compact or agreement made by the Father with Christ, as the representative of all the elect; in which promises and blessings of all sorts are provided and secured for them in him; and is called in Scripture a covenant of life and peace, because these are things concerned in it; and is commonly by men called the covenant of grace, because it springs from the grace of God, the subject matter of it is grace, and the end of it is the glory of God's grace: now this is better than the covenant of works broken by man, and which exposes him to the curse and condemnation of the law; or than the covenant of the Levitical priesthood, by which was no perfection; and the form of administration of it under the Gospel dispensation is better than that under the law, for it is now revealed more clearly, and administered without types, shadows, and sacrifices; and the extent of its administration is larger, reaching to Gentiles as well as Jews; and besides, it is now actually ratified and confirmed by the blood of Christ, which is therefore called the blood of the everlasting covenant: and of this testament or covenant Christ is the "surety"; the word signifies one that draws nigh: Christ drew nigh to his Father in the council of peace, and undertook to be the Saviour and Redeemer of his people he substituted himself in their place and stead; he interposed between the creditor and the debtor, and became surety for the payment of the debts of the latter, and so stood engaged for them, and in their room: Christ is not the surety for the Father to his people, but for them to the Father; as to satisfy for their sins, to work out a righteousness for them, to preserve and keep them, and make them happy; which is an instance of matchless love.
Now let us look at the word surety, its the word eggyos:I.a surety, a sponsor
Now what is a sponser ? Its defined as:
a person who vouches or is responsible for a person or thing. or it can be in the plural as for persons !
I believe it was in the Everlasting Covenant, a Covenant formed by the Triune God before the World began, that the Son of God was made Surety of God's People of the Elect Heb 13:20, and in this Eternal Suretyship, the Sins and Condemnation of the Elect were agreed upon to be His responsibility to Satisfy all of their Violations of God's Law, and so, by this agreement, as far as God's Law and Justice was concerned, they were Justified from all their sins and free from any punishment due to them personally, but it would be meted out in the Person and Work of their Surety, and they were Justified from all sin then !
BF, I am not sure your post was meant for me, but if it was, then here is my reply:
1. You - The Eternal Justification of God's Elect is foundationed upon Christ's Eternal Suretyship, and we know He was an Surety of a better Covenant from here Heb 7:22. Me - I agree.
2. You - The question is when did this take place ? I believe it reaches as far back as from Everlasting per Micah 5:2 & PS 103:17. Me - I agree.
3. You - I believe it was in the Everlasting Covenant, a Covenant formed by the Triune God before the World began, that the Son of God was made Surety of God's People of the Elect per Heb 13:20. Me - I agree.
4. You - In this Eternal Suretyship, the Sins and Condemnation of the Elect were agreed upon to be His responsibility to Satisfy all of their Violations of God's Law. [Scripture needed] Me - Not sure what you mean, but if you mean Christ died for the sins of humanity, then I agree.
5. You - By this agreement, as far as God's Law and Justice was concerned, they were Justified from all their sins and free from any punishment due to them personally, but it would be meted out in the Person and Work of their Surety. [same as #4] Me - same as #4.
6. You - They were Justified from all sin then! [Scripture needed] Me - Souls are justified at the moment in history that they are converted from being condemned to being elect. For Paul this apparently occurred during his experience with Christ on the road to Damascus in ACTS 9:1-18.
1. You - The Eternal Justification of God's Elect is foundationed upon Christ's Eternal Suretyship, and we know He was an Surety of a better Covenant from here Heb 7:22. Me - I agree.
2. You - The question is when did this take place ? I believe it reaches as far back as from Everlasting per Micah 5:2 & PS 103:17. Me - I agree.
3. You - I believe it was in the Everlasting Covenant, a Covenant formed by the Triune God before the World began, that the Son of God was made Surety of God's People of the Elect per Heb 13:20. Me - I agree.
4. You - In this Eternal Suretyship, the Sins and Condemnation of the Elect were agreed upon to be His responsibility to Satisfy all of their Violations of God's Law. [Scripture needed] Me - Not sure what you mean, but if you mean Christ died for the sins of humanity, then I agree.
5. You - By this agreement, as far as God's Law and Justice was concerned, they were Justified from all their sins and free from any punishment due to them personally, but it would be meted out in the Person and Work of their Surety. [same as #4] Me - same as #4.
6. You - They were Justified from all sin then! [Scripture needed] Me - Souls are justified at the moment in history that they are converted from being condemned to being elect. For Paul this apparently occurred during his experience with Christ on the road to Damascus in ACTS 9:1-18.
Eternal Justification of the Elect !
Just as important as the Elect's Justification before God by the death of Christ alone before any Gospel Obedience by the Justified, just as true and factual was their Justification from the Punishment of their sins by Christ's Suretyship engagement for them in the Everlasting Covenant, when He was constituted their Surety from Everlasting Heb 7:22
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Now even though He did not actually die in Eternity past, He did in Eternity Past become responsible for our guilt, as Surety, hence their punishment due to them was due unto Him instead of them because of Surety Responsibility. This Eternal Surety was based upon what He would do in for them enduring their wrath and punishment, after having been made of a women and under the Law Gal 4:4-5
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Since His Death of Redemption was appointed for the before the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
20 It is true that He was chosen and foreordained (destined and foreknown for it) before the foundation of the world, but He was brought out to public view (made manifest) in these last days (at the end of the times) for the sake of you. AMP
So this being True, so did they have Justification before God's Law and Justice from the Punishment of their sins before the foundation of the world ! 6
Just as important as the Elect's Justification before God by the death of Christ alone before any Gospel Obedience by the Justified, just as true and factual was their Justification from the Punishment of their sins by Christ's Suretyship engagement for them in the Everlasting Covenant, when He was constituted their Surety from Everlasting Heb 7:22
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Now even though He did not actually die in Eternity past, He did in Eternity Past become responsible for our guilt, as Surety, hence their punishment due to them was due unto Him instead of them because of Surety Responsibility. This Eternal Surety was based upon what He would do in for them enduring their wrath and punishment, after having been made of a women and under the Law Gal 4:4-5
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Since His Death of Redemption was appointed for the before the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
20 It is true that He was chosen and foreordained (destined and foreknown for it) before the foundation of the world, but He was brought out to public view (made manifest) in these last days (at the end of the times) for the sake of you. AMP
So this being True, so did they have Justification before God's Law and Justice from the Punishment of their sins before the foundation of the world ! 6
@GWH
Nothing I stated was for all humanity,Ive clearly stated for Gods elect, which clearly you disagree . Also wat you mean scripture needed, its common knowledge Christ died for the sins of His people. Do yourself a favor and study what it means for Christ to have died for sins.
4. You - In this Eternal Suretyship, the Sins and Condemnation of the Elect were agreed upon to be His responsibility to Satisfy all of their Violations of God's Law. [Scripture needed] Me - Not sure what you mean, but if you mean Christ died for the sins of humanity, then I agree.
@GWH
Nothing I stated was for all humanity,Ive clearly stated for Gods elect, which clearly you disagree . Also wat you mean scripture needed, its common knowledge Christ died for the sins of His people. Do yourself a favor and study what it means for Christ to have died for sins.
Nothing I stated was for all humanity,Ive clearly stated for Gods elect, which clearly you disagree . Also wat you mean scripture needed, its common knowledge Christ died for the sins of His people. Do yourself a favor and study what it means for Christ to have died for sins.
Gal 4:4-5, "But when the fulness of the time was come,..." In LK 2:10b the angel says, "I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people." Apparently you think "all people" refers to everyone God forces to be elect, whereas I think it means "all folks--potentially".
"...God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law...". Apparently you think "them" refers to those God forces to be redeemed, whereas I think it means "both Jews and Gentiles before the Gospel was revealed" (cf. RM 7:1-8:17).
"...that we might receive the adoption of sons". Apparently you think that "we" refers only to males whom God forces to be adopted", whereas I think it refers to all folks potentially per 1TM 2:3-4, "God our Savior wants all people to be saved...".
"Since His Death of Redemption was appointed for the before the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20". Apparently you and I agree that this POS was conceived before creation.
"18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers". Apparently we agree that the OT apart from Abrahamic faith is not salvific.
"19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot". Apparently we agree that the OT viewed a foreshadowing Christ's atonement serves as a provisional/proto-gospel that is salvific.
"20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you." Apparently we agree that this verse restates "Since His death...".
"20 It is true that He was chosen and foreordained (destined and foreknown for it) before the foundation of the world, but He was brought out to public view (made manifest) in these last days (at the end of the times) for the sake of you." Ditto, with us disagreeing about who is "you".
"So this being True, so did they have Justification before God's Law and Justice from the Punishment of their sins before the foundation of the world!" Yes, potentially, with "they" being potentially all, because God is perfect/all-loving (MT 5:40&44).
Denying Eternal Justification is quite serious !
Denying Eternal Justification is quite serious in that it disregards God as a Judge, also it disregards what is from scripture, an obvious Judgment of God from before the foundation, this we know from scriptures like Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[In Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11] from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Foreordained for what Purpose ? 1 Pet 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Foreordained for certain foreknown Elect Individuals 1 Pet 1:2 to be redeemed by the Precious blood of the Lamb, which was slain from the foundation Rev 13:8 !
Now by this it is very clear that God the Judge has already decided that the sins of the Elect foreknown should be laid on Christ, thus He should be slain for them and again raised for their Justification Rom 4:25, for this obviously He had already decided as Judge before all worlds.
Now when a case of a person has been thus decided for that individual, their Justification or condemnation, that official decision stands from the date thereof . Now when was the date of God's decision on redeeming His Elect by the Blood of Christ ? 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
He was manifest in time for specifically these 1 Pet 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Peter was very specific on this, for He wrote manifested FOR YOU !
Now this also means that God before the foundation had Judged and determined not to impute the transgressions of the elect upon them, but instead on Christ the Lamb for them, and by virtue of the Divine Reckoning, Christ was a slain Lamb from the foundation, slain for the sins of specific foreknown individuals, and these foreknown Individuals were recorded in the Lambs Book of Life Rev 13:8;17:8, and His coming to accomplish the Work Heb 10:7,9 ; Ps 40:6-8, and those whose names that had been written in the Book of Life, also had imputed to them, based upon the coming of Christ for them, Justification of Life, so if their Names were written in the Lambs Book of Life before the foundation, then also was God's Judging them to Justification of Life ! Denying this is very serious and anti gospel ! 6
Denying Eternal Justification is quite serious in that it disregards God as a Judge, also it disregards what is from scripture, an obvious Judgment of God from before the foundation, this we know from scriptures like Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[In Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11] from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Foreordained for what Purpose ? 1 Pet 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Foreordained for certain foreknown Elect Individuals 1 Pet 1:2 to be redeemed by the Precious blood of the Lamb, which was slain from the foundation Rev 13:8 !
Now by this it is very clear that God the Judge has already decided that the sins of the Elect foreknown should be laid on Christ, thus He should be slain for them and again raised for their Justification Rom 4:25, for this obviously He had already decided as Judge before all worlds.
Now when a case of a person has been thus decided for that individual, their Justification or condemnation, that official decision stands from the date thereof . Now when was the date of God's decision on redeeming His Elect by the Blood of Christ ? 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
He was manifest in time for specifically these 1 Pet 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Peter was very specific on this, for He wrote manifested FOR YOU !
Now this also means that God before the foundation had Judged and determined not to impute the transgressions of the elect upon them, but instead on Christ the Lamb for them, and by virtue of the Divine Reckoning, Christ was a slain Lamb from the foundation, slain for the sins of specific foreknown individuals, and these foreknown Individuals were recorded in the Lambs Book of Life Rev 13:8;17:8, and His coming to accomplish the Work Heb 10:7,9 ; Ps 40:6-8, and those whose names that had been written in the Book of Life, also had imputed to them, based upon the coming of Christ for them, Justification of Life, so if their Names were written in the Lambs Book of Life before the foundation, then also was God's Judging them to Justification of Life ! Denying this is very serious and anti gospel ! 6
Denying Eternal Justification is quite serious !
Denying Eternal Justification is quite serious in that it disregards God as a Judge, also it disregards what is from scripture, an obvious Judgment of God from before the foundation, this we know from scriptures like Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[In Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11] from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Foreordained for what Purpose ? 1 Pet 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Foreordained for certain foreknown Elect Individuals 1 Pet 1:2 to be redeemed by the Precious blood of the Lamb, which was slain from the foundation Rev 13:8 !
Now by this it is very clear that God the Judge has already decided that the sins of the Elect foreknown should be laid on Christ, thus He should be slain for them and again raised for their Justification Rom 4:25, for this obviously He had already decided as Judge before all worlds.
Now when a case of a person has been thus decided for that individual, their Justification or condemnation, that official decision stands from the date thereof . Now when was the date of God's decision on redeeming His Elect by the Blood of Christ ? 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
He was manifest in time for specifically these 1 Pet 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Peter was very specific on this, for He wrote manifested FOR YOU !
Now this also means that God before the foundation had Judged and determined not to impute the transgressions of the elect upon them, but instead on Christ the Lamb for them, and by virtue of the Divine Reckoning, Christ was a slain Lamb from the foundation, slain for the sins of specific foreknown individuals, and these foreknown Individuals were recorded in the Lambs Book of Life Rev 13:8;17:8, and His coming to accomplish the Work Heb 10:7,9 ; Ps 40:6-8, and those whose names that had been written in the Book of Life, also had imputed to them, based upon the coming of Christ for them, Justification of Life, so if their Names were written in the Lambs Book of Life before the foundation, then also was God's Judging them to Justification of Life ! Denying this is very serious and anti gospel ! 6
Denying Eternal Justification is quite serious in that it disregards God as a Judge, also it disregards what is from scripture, an obvious Judgment of God from before the foundation, this we know from scriptures like Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[In Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11] from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Foreordained for what Purpose ? 1 Pet 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Foreordained for certain foreknown Elect Individuals 1 Pet 1:2 to be redeemed by the Precious blood of the Lamb, which was slain from the foundation Rev 13:8 !
Now by this it is very clear that God the Judge has already decided that the sins of the Elect foreknown should be laid on Christ, thus He should be slain for them and again raised for their Justification Rom 4:25, for this obviously He had already decided as Judge before all worlds.
Now when a case of a person has been thus decided for that individual, their Justification or condemnation, that official decision stands from the date thereof . Now when was the date of God's decision on redeeming His Elect by the Blood of Christ ? 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
He was manifest in time for specifically these 1 Pet 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Peter was very specific on this, for He wrote manifested FOR YOU !
Now this also means that God before the foundation had Judged and determined not to impute the transgressions of the elect upon them, but instead on Christ the Lamb for them, and by virtue of the Divine Reckoning, Christ was a slain Lamb from the foundation, slain for the sins of specific foreknown individuals, and these foreknown Individuals were recorded in the Lambs Book of Life Rev 13:8;17:8, and His coming to accomplish the Work Heb 10:7,9 ; Ps 40:6-8, and those whose names that had been written in the Book of Life, also had imputed to them, based upon the coming of Christ for them, Justification of Life, so if their Names were written in the Lambs Book of Life before the foundation, then also was God's Judging them to Justification of Life ! Denying this is very serious and anti gospel ! 6
Christ was slain from the foundation of the World !
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
When Preaching about Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3 we cannot shun the whole counsel of it. 1 Cor 15:3 is only part of a whole, with many more sublime Truths accompanying it, such as He being slain from or before the foundation of the World ! Now because of this, those Christ died for as the Lamb slain before the foundation, they never had their sins and condemnation, which He was slain for, charged directly on them, which fact means their Justification from them and its condemnation. In the Eternal Purpose of Christ Jesus Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
God had predetermined / decreed that Christ should be charged with and die for their sins and condemnation, even though He had not actually died until in Time at the Cross in the fulness of time.
When those who had been chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, He also before the foundation received with them their liability/ and Suretyship, for their sins and condemnation in the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus, again though He did not die before the foundation, He did receive the sentence of Death for their sins before the foundation, to be carried out at an Hour set in Time, and in fact that was the foundation for His Incarnation Heb 10:5-10,14
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.6
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
When Preaching about Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3 we cannot shun the whole counsel of it. 1 Cor 15:3 is only part of a whole, with many more sublime Truths accompanying it, such as He being slain from or before the foundation of the World ! Now because of this, those Christ died for as the Lamb slain before the foundation, they never had their sins and condemnation, which He was slain for, charged directly on them, which fact means their Justification from them and its condemnation. In the Eternal Purpose of Christ Jesus Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
God had predetermined / decreed that Christ should be charged with and die for their sins and condemnation, even though He had not actually died until in Time at the Cross in the fulness of time.
When those who had been chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, He also before the foundation received with them their liability/ and Suretyship, for their sins and condemnation in the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus, again though He did not die before the foundation, He did receive the sentence of Death for their sins before the foundation, to be carried out at an Hour set in Time, and in fact that was the foundation for His Incarnation Heb 10:5-10,14
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.6
Christ was slain from the foundation of the World ! 2
Jn 6:38
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jesus here makes it plain as to why He came down from Heaven, it was to do His Father's and God will, the same will in Heb 10:7,9-10
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
This lets us know that before He came down from heaven, He knew it had to do with His previous Suretyship engagement, to be an Offering for sin Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Thats the Offering in Heb 10:10,14 ! So all the time before His coming into the world, the sins of those He was charged with, were never charged to them, a whole World of men 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Those whom Christ had been charged with their sins, they never legally by God, had them charged to them, which makes them even before the Incarnation, legally Justified, Acquitted from them, and the condemnation of them, even too, when they are dead in trespasses and sins they are Acquitted before God of all sin ! All this is True from the fact that In the Eternal Purpose of Christ, before the foundation, He was already slain by Eternal Decree, which means that God had already determined that Christ should die in their stead for their sin and condemnation, making them free from all condemnation !
Jn 6:38
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jesus here makes it plain as to why He came down from Heaven, it was to do His Father's and God will, the same will in Heb 10:7,9-10
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
This lets us know that before He came down from heaven, He knew it had to do with His previous Suretyship engagement, to be an Offering for sin Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Thats the Offering in Heb 10:10,14 ! So all the time before His coming into the world, the sins of those He was charged with, were never charged to them, a whole World of men 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Those whom Christ had been charged with their sins, they never legally by God, had them charged to them, which makes them even before the Incarnation, legally Justified, Acquitted from them, and the condemnation of them, even too, when they are dead in trespasses and sins they are Acquitted before God of all sin ! All this is True from the fact that In the Eternal Purpose of Christ, before the foundation, He was already slain by Eternal Decree, which means that God had already determined that Christ should die in their stead for their sin and condemnation, making them free from all condemnation !
Christ was slain from the foundation of the World ! 2
Jn 6:38
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jesus here makes it plain as to why He came down from Heaven, it was to do His Father's and God will, the same will in Heb 10:7,9-10
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
This lets us know that before He came down from heaven, He knew it had to do with His previous Suretyship engagement, to be an Offering for sin Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Thats the Offering in Heb 10:10,14 ! So all the time before His coming into the world, the sins of those He was charged with, were never charged to them, a whole World of men 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Those whom Christ had been charged with their sins, they never legally by God, had them charged to them, which makes them even before the Incarnation, legally Justified, Acquitted from them, and the condemnation of them, even too, when they are dead in trespasses and sins they are Acquitted before God of all sin ! All this is True from the fact that In the Eternal Purpose of Christ, before the foundation, He was already slain by Eternal Decree, which means that God had already determined that Christ should die in their stead for their sin and condemnation, making them free from all condemnation !
Jn 6:38
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jesus here makes it plain as to why He came down from Heaven, it was to do His Father's and God will, the same will in Heb 10:7,9-10
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
This lets us know that before He came down from heaven, He knew it had to do with His previous Suretyship engagement, to be an Offering for sin Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Thats the Offering in Heb 10:10,14 ! So all the time before His coming into the world, the sins of those He was charged with, were never charged to them, a whole World of men 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Those whom Christ had been charged with their sins, they never legally by God, had them charged to them, which makes them even before the Incarnation, legally Justified, Acquitted from them, and the condemnation of them, even too, when they are dead in trespasses and sins they are Acquitted before God of all sin ! All this is True from the fact that In the Eternal Purpose of Christ, before the foundation, He was already slain by Eternal Decree, which means that God had already determined that Christ should die in their stead for their sin and condemnation, making them free from all condemnation !
This is error
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel via general revelation combined with conscience.
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
If that is error, then so is this elaboration:
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel via general revelation combined with conscience.
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
In Christ before the foundation, and so Justified the same !
All who were in Christ Chosen before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Were also from the Divine Perspective, which Perspective is Preeminent/foremost above all else, they were before the foundation Justified from all things as stated of these Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
In the original that word by is the prep en the same as in Eph 1:4 " Chosen in en Him before the foundation "
Those believing therefore learn via the Gospel of their Justification from all things in Christ before the foundation, a Justification they could not have by the Law of Moses !
Now again, this is to be understood as a Justification they had before and without Faith or Believing in Christ, but due to the fact of the Divine Perspective that they had a Union with Christ [in Him] before the foundation.
The Truth of the Gospel is to be so explained that God from everlasting had Justified those Chosen in Christ, all the Elect, The Church of Christ, as He always saw them in His Beloved Eph 1:6
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
This Truth in Vs 6 " made accepted in the Beloved" is an Eternal act , not an temporal one, though the Truth of it is revealed to the Justified ones in Time !
This Justification was not because of any foreseen act of believing in the Justified sinner, for it was an fact before they were born, as they were viewed as the members of Christ's Body Ps 139:16
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
Note: All my members were written" this alludes to Christ's members written in the Lambs Book of Life , written before the foundation Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 7
All who were in Christ Chosen before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Were also from the Divine Perspective, which Perspective is Preeminent/foremost above all else, they were before the foundation Justified from all things as stated of these Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
In the original that word by is the prep en the same as in Eph 1:4 " Chosen in en Him before the foundation "
Those believing therefore learn via the Gospel of their Justification from all things in Christ before the foundation, a Justification they could not have by the Law of Moses !
Now again, this is to be understood as a Justification they had before and without Faith or Believing in Christ, but due to the fact of the Divine Perspective that they had a Union with Christ [in Him] before the foundation.
The Truth of the Gospel is to be so explained that God from everlasting had Justified those Chosen in Christ, all the Elect, The Church of Christ, as He always saw them in His Beloved Eph 1:6
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
This Truth in Vs 6 " made accepted in the Beloved" is an Eternal act , not an temporal one, though the Truth of it is revealed to the Justified ones in Time !
This Justification was not because of any foreseen act of believing in the Justified sinner, for it was an fact before they were born, as they were viewed as the members of Christ's Body Ps 139:16
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
Note: All my members were written" this alludes to Christ's members written in the Lambs Book of Life , written before the foundation Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 7
Saved in the Purpose of God equals Eternal Justification !
Did you know that all who are in time converted by the Gospel, which is a saving in and of itself, saved by the Power of the Gospel Rom 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation[conversion] to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1 Cor 1:18,21
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved[converted] it is the power of God.
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Saved by the Spirits Renewing/Sanctification Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
2 Thess 2:13,14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel[The Power of God Rom 1:16], to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
These were already saved in te Purpose of God 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Now understand, In the Purpose of God, all for whom Christ would die for in Time @ the Cross of Calvary, to bare their sins in His own Body 1 Pet 2:24, they were already saved from their sins penalty incurred by Adam Rom 5:12 and with regard to their own personal sins Rom 5:16 and here the many offences comes from all the personal sins of those who at first sinned in their Federal and Natural head Adam, Adams sin was their inlet sin for the avalanche of sins they would commit upon physical birth;
Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Did you know that all who are in time converted by the Gospel, which is a saving in and of itself, saved by the Power of the Gospel Rom 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation[conversion] to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1 Cor 1:18,21
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved[converted] it is the power of God.
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Saved by the Spirits Renewing/Sanctification Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
2 Thess 2:13,14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel[The Power of God Rom 1:16], to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
These were already saved in te Purpose of God 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Now understand, In the Purpose of God, all for whom Christ would die for in Time @ the Cross of Calvary, to bare their sins in His own Body 1 Pet 2:24, they were already saved from their sins penalty incurred by Adam Rom 5:12 and with regard to their own personal sins Rom 5:16 and here the many offences comes from all the personal sins of those who at first sinned in their Federal and Natural head Adam, Adams sin was their inlet sin for the avalanche of sins they would commit upon physical birth;
Yet in the Purpose of God, they were Saved from, Justified from them by the Non Imputation of their sins unto them, and this blessing before the foundation is a vital branch of Eternal Salvation Heb 5:9, in that there was a world of people Chosen in Christ before the foundation, whom God would not charge or impute with their sins 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.