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It's sort of difficult to explain. I am trying to say that whether they are "solely" in the Lord's domain (Daniel 5:27) always or whether he involves human beings in this type of judgment e.g. excommunication (no not just from "a" church or denomination, I mean for real).
I am inclined to think he does not ask for their opinion or input but that he can use a person for that purpose.
But then, I feel like he is the source of our own spiritual judgment and so it gets a little blurry to try and separate different ways the Lord works in order to say what is appropriate and what is not. I only know that each of us has authority in the body of Christ in some fashion and we need to be VERY careful not to exceed that. I'm pretty sure I have and it's not pleasing to him.
I am inclined to think he does not ask for their opinion or input but that he can use a person for that purpose.
But then, I feel like he is the source of our own spiritual judgment and so it gets a little blurry to try and separate different ways the Lord works in order to say what is appropriate and what is not. I only know that each of us has authority in the body of Christ in some fashion and we need to be VERY careful not to exceed that. I'm pretty sure I have and it's not pleasing to him.
You do have "mental" in the title of this thread. So it is reasonable to assume that this is about judging those with mental illnesses or deficiencies. Which would be wrong.
As to Christians being *judgmental* that is generally the complaint of those who wish to play with the world but call themselves Christians. They do not wish to be held accountable. But even Paul held Peter accountable when he was inconsistent.
As to Christians being *judgmental* that is generally the complaint of those who wish to play with the world but call themselves Christians. They do not wish to be held accountable. But even Paul held Peter accountable when he was inconsistent.
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Everyone judges. It is a natural function of life. The real issue is to judge rightly 
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
For the cause of Christ
Roge
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I rather like what Jesus said about removing the plank from my own eye before I judge the speck in someone else's. I acknowledge sin exists, and everyone commits them, But I've got a plank in my eye about the size of a giant redwood, and right now the best I can say to anyone is, "what, you're a sinner? So am I!" and then get to work on my own sins.
I don't know...if you're putting a murderer into prison, are you judging the person or are you judging the sin and dealing with person as a matter of practicality? No answer here, and I work in a maximum security prison. I guess the jail sentence is the prisoner giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and God will get His own justice as He sees fit when the time comes, and all my job is is to provide the best nursing care I can (I'm a nurse, not a guard).
I grew up under a crushingly judgmental person, and I know I had those tendencies as well, and I'm kind of embarrassed, and I also know that by the same measure I judge others will I be judged, and not too long ago, that was a ridiculously high standard that in truth was also ridiculously hypocritical, because, like I said: giant redwood in my eye. I've done a LOT of damage with my self-righteousness and my judgmental finger-pointing; I was very unkind to God's other children, and I'm still haunted by the faces of the people who were at the receiving end of my judgment. And all that time, I was committing sins that were waaaaay worse. No sorry I could ever say takes away my shame for being at once so hurtful and so hypocritical.
I never much cared for the coworker who looked down his nose at me many years ago because he found faith back in 1989 while the rest of us were indifferent as young men often are, or for the woman from church a long time ago who was so full of her own holiness that she couldn't deign to speak to the rest of us, except to announce to us all the wonderful things she was doing for this or that charity or mission...I mean, give us a chance, will ya?; we're all sinners, all loved by God regardless, and quite a few of us are fumbling around in the dark trying to find our way. And we will...when God makes it so. Congratulations for getting there ahead of the rest of us. In the meantime, don't judge, because maybe the last shall be first and the first shall be last after all.
That's what I would say to someone I judge to be judgmental.
Just one man's opinion. I'm a sin-filled train wreck coming late to faith, so what do I know?
Anyway, I hope you're all well! It's 2:30 in the morning and I'm still wide awake (sigh).
Tim
I don't know...if you're putting a murderer into prison, are you judging the person or are you judging the sin and dealing with person as a matter of practicality? No answer here, and I work in a maximum security prison. I guess the jail sentence is the prisoner giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and God will get His own justice as He sees fit when the time comes, and all my job is is to provide the best nursing care I can (I'm a nurse, not a guard).
I grew up under a crushingly judgmental person, and I know I had those tendencies as well, and I'm kind of embarrassed, and I also know that by the same measure I judge others will I be judged, and not too long ago, that was a ridiculously high standard that in truth was also ridiculously hypocritical, because, like I said: giant redwood in my eye. I've done a LOT of damage with my self-righteousness and my judgmental finger-pointing; I was very unkind to God's other children, and I'm still haunted by the faces of the people who were at the receiving end of my judgment. And all that time, I was committing sins that were waaaaay worse. No sorry I could ever say takes away my shame for being at once so hurtful and so hypocritical.
I never much cared for the coworker who looked down his nose at me many years ago because he found faith back in 1989 while the rest of us were indifferent as young men often are, or for the woman from church a long time ago who was so full of her own holiness that she couldn't deign to speak to the rest of us, except to announce to us all the wonderful things she was doing for this or that charity or mission...I mean, give us a chance, will ya?; we're all sinners, all loved by God regardless, and quite a few of us are fumbling around in the dark trying to find our way. And we will...when God makes it so. Congratulations for getting there ahead of the rest of us. In the meantime, don't judge, because maybe the last shall be first and the first shall be last after all.
That's what I would say to someone I judge to be judgmental.
Just one man's opinion. I'm a sin-filled train wreck coming late to faith, so what do I know?
Anyway, I hope you're all well! It's 2:30 in the morning and I'm still wide awake (sigh).
Tim
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