Jonah Died and went to Hell
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On top of that, but people can be saved after they have already died and going to hell.
Why bother preaching? The best thing that would ever cause anybody to repent would be a couple of days in hell. That's a guaranteed repentance.
Then that creates a doctrine of hyper Grace or universal salvation
Why bother preaching? The best thing that would ever cause anybody to repent would be a couple of days in hell. That's a guaranteed repentance.
Then that creates a doctrine of hyper Grace or universal salvation
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So Jonah soul is in Sheol? It was for a period of time.
Is this hell? No, Hell is the lake of fire, conclusively proved by @Nehemiah6 here. Thanks Nehemiah
Is this not the same place the rich man was? Sheol/Hades is where the rich man was.
Your doctrine is a bit confused... No it isn't. Stick with it.
Did Jesus preach to the spirits in prison? Yes
Did the bible speak this prison is in Sheol? Yes. There was a separate location here called Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) but this is no longer the case since the resurrection of Jesus.
Who are in this prison? Fallen angels, Nephilim, as well as the souls of unrighteous men and women.
1Pe 3:19-20 KJV 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Disobedient during noahs days...Yup. Even before that. It would have been populated when the rebellion happened in heaven and one third of the angels were cast down. Sheol was created for the devil and his angels. Some are currently in chains there, whereas others are free to roam about the earth, as agents for temptation of mankind (just as Eve was allowed to be tempted, so mankind is allowed to be tempted).
2Pe 2:4-5 KJV 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; See previous paragraph
Is this hell? No, Hell is the lake of fire, conclusively proved by @Nehemiah6 here. Thanks Nehemiah
Is this not the same place the rich man was? Sheol/Hades is where the rich man was.
Your doctrine is a bit confused... No it isn't. Stick with it.
Did Jesus preach to the spirits in prison? Yes
Did the bible speak this prison is in Sheol? Yes. There was a separate location here called Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) but this is no longer the case since the resurrection of Jesus.
Who are in this prison? Fallen angels, Nephilim, as well as the souls of unrighteous men and women.
1Pe 3:19-20 KJV 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Disobedient during noahs days...Yup. Even before that. It would have been populated when the rebellion happened in heaven and one third of the angels were cast down. Sheol was created for the devil and his angels. Some are currently in chains there, whereas others are free to roam about the earth, as agents for temptation of mankind (just as Eve was allowed to be tempted, so mankind is allowed to be tempted).
2Pe 2:4-5 KJV 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; See previous paragraph
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Nonsense! Jonah is the exception and only proves the rule. This is exactly why the Lord can use him as a type of what he was going to do, that is die physically, his body placed in a tomb, and his soul going to hell to preach victory over sin and death, and deliver those in captivity (Abraham's bosom).
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what is actually more than enough?
is that when someone thinks they have found a persuasive article that clearly indicates to them that they are right?
actually, no, the Jews do not believe in hell the way you seem to be representing it in this thread...in fact some do not even believe in an afterlife. period...while some believe in reincarnation
google it. nothing is written in stone. save perhaps the 10 commandments
is that when someone thinks they have found a persuasive article that clearly indicates to them that they are right?
actually, no, the Jews do not believe in hell the way you seem to be representing it in this thread...in fact some do not even believe in an afterlife. period...while some believe in reincarnation
google it. nothing is written in stone. save perhaps the 10 commandments
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Whispered is correct. jews dont even believe in hell today the way christians do it. many of them dont even think much about afterlife or talk about it. its all about obeying now for blessings now. thats what most of the o.t. is too, no one cares about afterlife and even resurrection is just mentioned like once or twice in the o.t. and never is anyone threatened with a punishment after death its always worldly punishments. no unbeliever is ever warned about hell in the o.t. either, no prophets sent to edomites to warn them about hell
the only place in the o.t. that actually talks about hell is daniel 12:2
the only place in the o.t. that actually talks about hell is daniel 12:2
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just a personal observation here
it seems to me that many start threads to support what they already believe, rather than the thought of asking questions with the view to considering the answer
I've certainly done it, but I really do not start threads anymore...rather than the one about what the blood of Christ has secured for us, which went bust due to an individual who used it as a vehicle for his own persuasions
ah yes. nothing like the BDF
alas, I seem to enjoy a little conflict...keeps the old noodle working
it seems to me that many start threads to support what they already believe, rather than the thought of asking questions with the view to considering the answer
I've certainly done it, but I really do not start threads anymore...rather than the one about what the blood of Christ has secured for us, which went bust due to an individual who used it as a vehicle for his own persuasions
ah yes. nothing like the BDF
alas, I seem to enjoy a little conflict...keeps the old noodle working
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IMO, that neither proves or disproves a thing
if we have to collect so called 'proof' from individuals who relate a subjective experience at best, I suggest we may be all lost anyway
that may take some considerable reflection to understand
HINT:the words of Jesus concerning such things
HINT II: those words are in the NT
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well actually that depends on which side of this life/death, literal/poetic, skirmish one resides on
if you wish to compare in this manner, maybe strike up a conversation with Lazurus instead
he actually was dead and resurrected by Jesus
there is truly nothing to indicate in scripture that Jonah expired while in the big fish
I mean I just read that some think it was a Great White....
I had a strong reaction to identify with the word 'nope' right at that moment
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1. Hell is not lake of fire.
Rev 20:14 KJV And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
2. Peter did not mention spirits after noah.
3. Peter is very specific...angels that sinned...not man.
4. Hell is not sheol
Luk 16:23 KJV And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Jon 2:2 KJV And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
Both are talking of hell...place of torment...
5. Sheol is not cast in the lake of fire...
Why?
You are not thinking of korea....
Your doctrine is a mess..still want to stick with it....there's nothing to lose if you change but a lot to gain.
Rev 20:14 KJV And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
2. Peter did not mention spirits after noah.
3. Peter is very specific...angels that sinned...not man.
4. Hell is not sheol
Luk 16:23 KJV And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Jon 2:2 KJV And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
Both are talking of hell...place of torment...
5. Sheol is not cast in the lake of fire...
Why?
You are not thinking of korea....
Your doctrine is a mess..still want to stick with it....there's nothing to lose if you change but a lot to gain.
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