Jesus Was Made Perfect?
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No way!
That was downright and absolutely beautiful, Thunder.
That was downright and absolutely beautiful, Thunder.
You seem to rub of on me
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Wow . . . you are a very deep individual.
I have actually been writing about the Story of God in a timeline, chronological order (so thankful the Lord showed me this Way), and it is an incredible thing to see (in my mind) the Story of God in something like a picture. It is as if I can see their history in my mind, kind of like self-reflection where we get something like a picture of ourselves (within our own minds).
Putting it all together in one moment . . . I cannot fathom this!
I have actually been writing about the Story of God in a timeline, chronological order (so thankful the Lord showed me this Way), and it is an incredible thing to see (in my mind) the Story of God in something like a picture. It is as if I can see their history in my mind, kind of like self-reflection where we get something like a picture of ourselves (within our own minds).
Putting it all together in one moment . . . I cannot fathom this!
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the Word is living and active, piercing and sharp - cutting even soul from spirit
and this is every moment you read it. it occupies one moment, "now" - but we as humans have no "now" - we only have a past and future. everything you experience happened a moment ago before you sense it. only God truly comprehends "now" - an eternal time, outside of time, always existing outside of the boundaries of time. only God is outside of time. He alone hath immorality - though we are in His image, eternally existing souls.
we will be changed, we will be like Him, one day we will also see this.
He declared another day, calling it "Today" if we will hear His voice
and this is every moment you read it. it occupies one moment, "now" - but we as humans have no "now" - we only have a past and future. everything you experience happened a moment ago before you sense it. only God truly comprehends "now" - an eternal time, outside of time, always existing outside of the boundaries of time. only God is outside of time. He alone hath immorality - though we are in His image, eternally existing souls.
we will be changed, we will be like Him, one day we will also see this.
He declared another day, calling it "Today" if we will hear His voice
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the Word is living and active, piercing and sharp - cutting even soul from spirit
and this is every moment you read it. it occupies one moment, "now" - but we as humans have no "now" - we only have a past and future. everything you experience happened a moment ago before you sense it. only God truly comprehends "now" - an eternal time, outside of time, always existing outside of the boundaries of time. only God is outside of time. He alone hath immorality - though we are in His image, eternally existing souls.
we will be changed, we will be like Him, one day we will also see this.
He declared another day, calling it "Today" if we will hear His voice
and this is every moment you read it. it occupies one moment, "now" - but we as humans have no "now" - we only have a past and future. everything you experience happened a moment ago before you sense it. only God truly comprehends "now" - an eternal time, outside of time, always existing outside of the boundaries of time. only God is outside of time. He alone hath immorality - though we are in His image, eternally existing souls.
we will be changed, we will be like Him, one day we will also see this.
He declared another day, calling it "Today" if we will hear His voice
Perfection was already there then from when.
When he says I am the beginning and the end.
He must be in the middle of time it's self surely not.
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So is he not in one moment of time forever.
Time it's self must be standing still For God,
He must be holding on to all time surely.
But also he must be seeing light into the past and the future.
Whilst being in one moment, how can we even comprehend this, as it must be so as he's everlasting father wonderful counselor.
To be ever lasting means God's is also time himself.
Sending light jewels and life into past and future.
It has to be surely not.
But also he's not just holding onto all light past and future of all everlasting time he's holding on to all wisdom in that time
So his spirit must be in all the energy and light and darkness that is everywhere past and future,
.I wonder about the darkness in genesis 1
Is he talking about the reflection of his light but it's still his light.
Is he talking about the onyx,
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I dont agree that time stands still for God. This view is referred to as atemporalism or eternalism. The view suggests that God is stuck in an eternal present and that all his actions are simultaneous. I think the biblical rationale for this is shaky. I believe the Bible paints a picture of God who is personal, caring and involved in human affairs. All of God‘s actions in Scripture imply a temporal sequence (forgiveness, desiring repentance, answering prayer, issues warnings, plans to send a Redeemer). How could the Word become man, God made flesh, if God is always in a constant state of stasis? Also, how could God create the universe ex nihilo if, for God, there could never be a first moment of creation?
I agree that God is not subject to our timeline and stand above it. He is metatemporal. However, I do believe God exists in time. This is not to say that God is subject to time, but that time is part of God’s essence. Thus, there is a created time and an uncreated time. God exists in uncreated time, whereas we exist in created time.
I agree that God is not subject to our timeline and stand above it. He is metatemporal. However, I do believe God exists in time. This is not to say that God is subject to time, but that time is part of God’s essence. Thus, there is a created time and an uncreated time. God exists in uncreated time, whereas we exist in created time.
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Throughout Scripture we read of the Lord having Plans. The word plan in itself requires time to be accomplished. Then there are the dozens of recountings, by God Himself, of the things He had done in the past. Furthermore, the Scroll of the Lord revolves around God calling out an order, and the Spirit making it happen. This Heavenly Scroll outlines what is to take place, thus determining what is to come.
Blah . . . what do I know. I've never heard of this concept before.
Blah . . . what do I know. I've never heard of this concept before.
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But He speaks of the future as though it is already past, and nothing He intends can fail to come to pass. So when He speaks of 'plans' is this kind of language for Himself or for those of us who hear it?
as when He asks Adam where he is, in the garden, and Satan where he has been in the assembly of angels before the throne, and asks Peter if he loves Him - not because God doesn't know, but because humans and angels, creatures created in time, must hear and learn from both the question and the answer.
does time exist for God or for us?
which of us needs it?
as when He asks Adam where he is, in the garden, and Satan where he has been in the assembly of angels before the throne, and asks Peter if he loves Him - not because God doesn't know, but because humans and angels, creatures created in time, must hear and learn from both the question and the answer.
does time exist for God or for us?
which of us needs it?
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I understand where your point of view is.
That when I say he doesn't know something what im saying unless he looks into time it's self he doesn't know.
Because he speaks about not wanting to know things where he says I will remember this or that no more 😊
Maybe it's so that God's main presence is in the heart of all light.
As he speaks of having a heart to.
So God being central to something seems to be there,
So For God his freedom could be in the place where he chooses not to remember, a place where Adam and eve where, perhaps it's a place of eternal tranquility.
God obvious does have his way here.
I just hope you can see it without thinking it doesn't question whether he is all knowing.
That when I say he doesn't know something what im saying unless he looks into time it's self he doesn't know.
Because he speaks about not wanting to know things where he says I will remember this or that no more 😊
Maybe it's so that God's main presence is in the heart of all light.
As he speaks of having a heart to.
So God being central to something seems to be there,
So For God his freedom could be in the place where he chooses not to remember, a place where Adam and eve where, perhaps it's a place of eternal tranquility.
God obvious does have his way here.
I just hope you can see it without thinking it doesn't question whether he is all knowing.
it is not possible He could do anything but what is perfect
we were never in any danger
before the foundation of the world, friend
we were never in any danger
before the foundation of the world, friend
“saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,”
Luke 22:42-45
“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
Hebrews 5:7-10 KJV
“And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray. And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy; and saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch. And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same words.”
Mark 14:32-36, 39 KJV
The man that God became had to be put in the same position as mankind in order to redeem them from it. He had to carry within himself man’s infirmity and weaknesses and overcome them never disobeying God not once in all his days did he succumb to temptation
of course Jesus wasn’t sitting around considering whether or not to sin or anything
abut also looking closely at the gospel we can see him being perfected by enduring through his sufferings even when he needed to be strengthened By the father because his flesh was weak he overcame it the same way that mankind can through turning to God the father in prayer and supplication and facing the temptations and trials of man he was victorious in every way
Jesus the man became the high priest through perfecting the flesh of mankind
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I might misunderstand what you mean above. How do you feel about the below remarkable and incredible Scriptures? This is stunning in concept. Hold onto your little britches!
Isaiah 34:15-17 NIV - 15 The owl will nest there and lay eggs, she will hatch them, and care for her young under the shadow of her wings; there also the falcons will gather, each with its mate. 16 Look in the scroll of the LORD and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together. 17 He allots their portions; his hand distributes them by measure. They will possess it forever and dwell there from generation to generation."
People can disect the above Scriptures all they want, thinking that owls and falcons are symbolic, and they probably are, but to argue over such points is to miss completely, COMPLETELY, the point that God is making in His unbelievable Words.
There is a Scroll that outlines details of what is to come.
What is not debatable is that God calls the shots.
What is not debatable is that the Spirit completes the Work.
What is not debatable is that whatever is prewritten in this Scroll, is assured to happen.
The ultimate point? POWER.
God wants us to recognize and know His Power. For without this Understanding, there is no Hope.
Isaiah 34:15-17 NIV - 15 The owl will nest there and lay eggs, she will hatch them, and care for her young under the shadow of her wings; there also the falcons will gather, each with its mate. 16 Look in the scroll of the LORD and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together. 17 He allots their portions; his hand distributes them by measure. They will possess it forever and dwell there from generation to generation."
People can disect the above Scriptures all they want, thinking that owls and falcons are symbolic, and they probably are, but to argue over such points is to miss completely, COMPLETELY, the point that God is making in His unbelievable Words.
There is a Scroll that outlines details of what is to come.
What is not debatable is that God calls the shots.
What is not debatable is that the Spirit completes the Work.
What is not debatable is that whatever is prewritten in this Scroll, is assured to happen.
The ultimate point? POWER.
God wants us to recognize and know His Power. For without this Understanding, there is no Hope.
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Very Good bro, can you see meaning that i applied here 😂
You know you brought uo at the very good scripture here and it was one that was spoke to me by my father and my early days.
Actually about age 7 years old
The message my father gave me was never ever in your lifetime take a bird's egg out of its nest in the wild.
You know you brought uo at the very good scripture here and it was one that was spoke to me by my father and my early days.
Actually about age 7 years old
The message my father gave me was never ever in your lifetime take a bird's egg out of its nest in the wild.
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