Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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i've been expecting a post like this sooner or later.
the whole case for misreading the story seems to me like a newly converted Pharisee who can't believe that pork is now OK to eat and trying to interpret Peter's vision to mean vegetables and fruit.
if the disciples became vegetarians it wasn't for their own conscience's sake but taking care not to offend the "weaker brethren." you referenced apocryphal material -- there's a reason it wasn't canonized.
but whatever anyone can't receive thankfully, they should avoid.
the whole case for misreading the story seems to me like a newly converted Pharisee who can't believe that pork is now OK to eat and trying to interpret Peter's vision to mean vegetables and fruit.
if the disciples became vegetarians it wasn't for their own conscience's sake but taking care not to offend the "weaker brethren." you referenced apocryphal material -- there's a reason it wasn't canonized.
but whatever anyone can't receive thankfully, they should avoid.
Hmm, I always thought the event where Jesus turned the water into wine was merely a manifestation of him being the Christ. The governor of the wedding unkowingly confirmed this when he said "you have kept the good wine until now." This is just another supporting sign that indeed Jesus is Messiah for Jesus is the good wine.
I believe it is unbiblical to pray to the dead. Such a thing would be making Mary into a god. She cannot possibly answer my prayers because she in not like God where He can answer millions of prayers at once. Only Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. So I would recommend that a person only talks to Him and nobody else. Otherwise, one is being misled by a false spirit.
I have already said that a person can use wine as a medical treatment and I endorse this passage. But you have to understand it was a LITTLE wine. Also, did Timothy have a chronic stomach ache? From the text, we get the impression that this was occasional and not a chronic problem for Timothy. So I don't see alchohol as a cure all solution for chronic pain. I believe Paul was saying to use a little wine to relieve temporary moments of stomach pains (Which was probably because of the bad water).
That was actually meant as somewhat of a joke . . . .
but if Jesus changed the water into grape juice why didn't He say grape juice? I accept it for what scripture says - 'wine' - fermented or unfermented - scripture does not specify - so I can not, nor anyone else for that matter, say for a certainty that it was fermented or if it was unfermented.
but if Jesus changed the water into grape juice why didn't He say grape juice? I accept it for what scripture says - 'wine' - fermented or unfermented - scripture does not specify - so I can not, nor anyone else for that matter, say for a certainty that it was fermented or if it was unfermented.
This is the same excuse that Ant-Trinitarians use to prove that there is no Trinity. They believe that just because the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, then the Scriptures do no teach such a thing. However, the Bible does use the word "Godhead", though (3 times). The point I am getting at is that the Bible was not preserved in the English language using our modern lingo. Look up the word "wine" in a dictionary and you will see that it can refer to either fermented or unfermented wine.
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I did not say, my son, I said son. Yes it was condescending. You, as a tyro, have the audacity to dispute clear analysis of your interpretation of scripture. You need milk, not strong meat.
I am certainly no Job, but you don't even deserve to mentioned in the same breath as Elihu, much less, to act as he did.
I am certainly no Job, but you don't even deserve to mentioned in the same breath as Elihu, much less, to act as he did.
Drinking his blood is in reference to having faith in His blood by the fact that it cleanses and washes away our sins (Romans 3:25).
Eating his flesh is in reference to John 4:34. For just as it is Christ's meat to do the will of the Father, it is our meat to do the will of Christ and to be conformed to His image.
Eating his flesh is in reference to John 4:34. For just as it is Christ's meat to do the will of the Father, it is our meat to do the will of Christ and to be conformed to His image.
So, was it fermented wine or not?
Was He wrong, instead or the records?
No man can make Him holier. GOD chose Him for a reason.
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Mat 9:17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved."
Was He wrong, instead or the records?
No man can make Him holier. GOD chose Him for a reason.
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Mat 9:17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved."
Aye this is true. Therefore let us examine the scriptures more closely of this same chapter (John 2)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Therefore I still believe Jesus is the good wine. We can also support this with the verses brother hermit posted from John 6.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Therefore I still believe Jesus is the good wine. We can also support this with the verses brother hermit posted from John 6.
Well, we are getting off topic, but who was more justified in the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee? Was the one who exalted himself or the one who humbled himself before God? (See Luke 18:9-14).
In other words, when one is condescending, they are exalting themselves. I am nothing. We are both nothing. Jesus Christ is everything. To put me down as if I am lesser than you is to defeat that purpose. We who are truly are in Christ are all a part of one body, my friend.
In other words, when one is condescending, they are exalting themselves. I am nothing. We are both nothing. Jesus Christ is everything. To put me down as if I am lesser than you is to defeat that purpose. We who are truly are in Christ are all a part of one body, my friend.
Wine is mentioned in the Bible as being either fermented or unfermented. It depends on the context.
Just as "sons of God" can refer to either angels or believers. It depends on the context.
In the case with putting new wine into old wine skins. You have to understand that fermented wine is already fermented. It is the unfermented wine that would go thru the process of fermentation that would stretch the old wine skin bottles and make them to burst because the old wine skins had already been stretched by the process of fermention already (from a previous batch).
Just as "sons of God" can refer to either angels or believers. It depends on the context.
In the case with putting new wine into old wine skins. You have to understand that fermented wine is already fermented. It is the unfermented wine that would go thru the process of fermentation that would stretch the old wine skin bottles and make them to burst because the old wine skins had already been stretched by the process of fermention already (from a previous batch).
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