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Edify

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#22
Did Jesus speak before the cross? Yep, everything He said up to His ressurrection. Yet Jesus only covered the moral law that would be carried over into the New Covenant. It was God's moral law He used when He rebuked & corrected others. Everything He taught was principles of the Kingdom.
Historical context to prove His identity as Messiah, facts & principles of the Kingdom, All was either to or for us. Observances in the OT weren't to us to follow, yet were to us to read & understand how they all pointed to Christ & had their fulfillment in Him. They are necessary to us for various reasons, not just to obey them.

Acts 1
1 The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, 2 until the day when He was taken up to heaven, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. 3 To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God. 4 Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; 5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Why did Luke write this? Because the Holy Spirit led/told him to. It was to the church, & it was for the church.

Don't believe me?

1 Peter 2:21For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps, 22HE WHO COMMITTED NO sin, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT found IN HIS MOUTH; 23[x]and while being abusively insulted, He did not insult in return; while suffering, He did not threaten, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24and He Himself [y]brought our sins in His body up on the [z]cross, so that we might die to [aa]sin and live for righteousness; by His [ab]wounds you were healed. 25For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and [ac]Guardian of your souls.

Jesus was/is:
  1. A perfect Lamb of God
  2. A perfect Messiah
  3. A perfect King
  4. A perfect example to follow in all holy living
So much so that He said: Matt 16:24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me. 25For whoever wants to save his [y]life will lose it; but whoever loses his [z]life for My sake will find it.

If there was something that Jesus said that wasn't necessary for the church to see/understand and/or follow, He never would have said it.:)
 

Edify

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#23
Did Jesus speak before the cross? Yep, everything He said up to His ressurrection. Yet Jesus only covered the moral law that would be carried over into the New Covenant. It was God's moral law He used when He rebuked & corrected others. Everything He taught was principles of the Kingdom.
Historical context to prove His identity as Messiah, facts & principles of the Kingdom, All was either to or for us. Observances in the OT weren't to us to follow, yet were to us to read & understand how they all pointed to Christ & had their fulfillment in Him. They are necessary to us for various reasons, not just to obey them.

Acts 1
1 The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach, 2 until the day when He was taken up to heaven, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. 3 To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God. 4 Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; 5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Why did Luke write this? Because the Holy Spirit led/told him to. It was to the church, & it was for the church.

Don't believe me?

1 Peter 2:21For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps, 22HE WHO COMMITTED NO sin, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT found IN HIS MOUTH; 23[x]and while being abusively insulted, He did not insult in return; while suffering, He did not threaten, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24and He Himself [y]brought our sins in His body up on the [z]cross, so that we might die to [aa]sin and live for righteousness; by His [ab]wounds you were healed. 25For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and [ac]Guardian of your souls.

Jesus was/is:
  1. A perfect Lamb of God
  2. A perfect Messiah
  3. A perfect King
  4. A perfect example to follow in all holy living
So much so that He said: Matt 16:24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me. 25For whoever wants to save his [y]life will lose it; but whoever loses his [z]life for My sake will find it.

If there was something that Jesus said that wasn't necessary for the church to see/understand and/or follow, He never would have said it.:)
Something I omitted: Jesus is a perfect teacher. I dunno how I missed something that important. (rolls eyes)
 

phil36

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#24
[QUOTE="throughfaith, post: 4487290, member: 300037"


---Why do some take transitional books such as Acts and use it for doctrine? Why do they do this for the 4 gospels ? Why do some not see the new testament begins with the death of Christ and not the book of Matthew ?[/QUOTE]


Could you explain this more... Is there no teaching in Acts for Christians, Are the gospels not for Christians? Could you explain what you mean?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#25
So lets get a bit clearer here. Do you mean the actual initial conversation was not to us directly? But between God and Noah.. and not the written record? At this point your argument is untenable.

But you do realize that the recorded words (scripture) was to be given to us.. so not only is all of scripture to us, it is also for us.

I think your trying to make an argument for an arguments sake. And showing that you actually don't understand the very gift God has given to you for your sake in Scripture.

Scripture is God talking TO you!
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

seems like Paul agrees, all scripture is for us all, it may not be directed to us, but we can learn from it.

and amen, using Noah is week, because the words were written long after the flood, so the words are written to us,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#26
The bible. This should be obvious ,if we believe and trust the bible. Many don't. They are trusting a ' ism ' or their favourite theologians ect . The bible says ' Israel ' and some think " oh that's not just Israel . The books , letters, literally tell us who the Author is writing to , what its about , what the central theme is and the timeline .
Why do some take transitional books such as Acts and use it for doctrine? Why do they do this for the 4 gospels ? Why do some not see the new testament begins with the death of Christ and not the book of Matthew ? why do some not distinguish between the Old and the new ? Why do some not see ,even though Jesus says so, that he came for the lost SHEEP of the house of Israel ? Why do some think the disciples were preaching and understood the death , burial and resurrection before the cross, when literally the bible says they did not understand ANY of those things ?
Why? Well its not because of the bible.
Not sure what ism you follow, but you seem to make the same mistake you judge others of doing, even when it comes to judging them you judge what ism told you what they believe not what they actually believe
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#27
Cults do not worry about rightly dividing. They have their doctrines prior to approaching the bible and the bible needs to ' fit ' . This is Calvinism also . Every Cult takes verses out of context from the 4 gospels and applies them to themselves ..They all take the book of Acts as doctrine. They all take verses for Israel for them . And without fail ,believe that you have to endure till the end to be saved .
and here we go another anti calvinism thread posed as a normal thread.

you should be ashamed