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Here's a real good one but it involves spiritual truths.I always talk about the body and how its made in his image.The image being of the spirit,water,and the blood.It's everywhere.Even on the earth, and in the heavens.In all of his creations.
When you have his spirit in you,we are just like the sword guarding the way to the tree of life.
Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
The Cherubims are the ones on each side of the mercy seat.They're the covenants and the flaming sword is the word.They're one.Just like how the covenants and the Bible as a whole are as one.
We turn every way just as the flaming sword does or even as the vision that Ezekiel saw.No matter which way we turn,the water or the blood, face that direction.
This is how.The left side of our body is for the Old Covenant,and the right side is for the New Covenant.But,the same goes for the front and the back of our bodies.The back being for the Old Covenant and the front being for the New Covenant.
Look how our life giving part are in the front of our bodies,or how when we speak the Word with our mouths.It comes out from the front of our bodies.Even a man women are in the image of the water and the blood.And they're to become one.A man has life giving parts but without a woman, there is no life.Just like the covenants.The woman has a body to give birth and nurture.She is the image of the blood.
It's true that we are just like the flaming sword that guards the way to the tree of life.If you guard the word in you.Then you are just like the flaming sword.
When you have his spirit in you,we are just like the sword guarding the way to the tree of life.
Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
The Cherubims are the ones on each side of the mercy seat.They're the covenants and the flaming sword is the word.They're one.Just like how the covenants and the Bible as a whole are as one.
We turn every way just as the flaming sword does or even as the vision that Ezekiel saw.No matter which way we turn,the water or the blood, face that direction.
This is how.The left side of our body is for the Old Covenant,and the right side is for the New Covenant.But,the same goes for the front and the back of our bodies.The back being for the Old Covenant and the front being for the New Covenant.
Look how our life giving part are in the front of our bodies,or how when we speak the Word with our mouths.It comes out from the front of our bodies.Even a man women are in the image of the water and the blood.And they're to become one.A man has life giving parts but without a woman, there is no life.Just like the covenants.The woman has a body to give birth and nurture.She is the image of the blood.
It's true that we are just like the flaming sword that guards the way to the tree of life.If you guard the word in you.Then you are just like the flaming sword.
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This is the point I was getting at.That Jesus is God in the flesh.What Moses saw confirms it.
Exodus 33:18-23
And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
This is God,and Moses is asking to reveal himself so he can see him.When God places him in the split/clift of the rock,he is being covered by the covenants.On each side is the water and the blood.When God places his hand between him and Moses,it is as a covering.And it was the covering of the water.So it was God's left hand that is placed between him and Moses.And it's revealed that its the left hand even though it doesn't say what hand it was in scripture because when God removes his hand,Moses is only allowed to see his back parts because there was no blood on the cross yet!
Get it?
That's why I had to explain how our bodies are made in his image first.
Now we see his face, and know his name,and the Book of Revelation is the unveiling of the temple veil. And who do we see?Jesus.Moses saw Jesus and heard him declare his name.
Exodus 33:18-23
And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
This is God,and Moses is asking to reveal himself so he can see him.When God places him in the split/clift of the rock,he is being covered by the covenants.On each side is the water and the blood.When God places his hand between him and Moses,it is as a covering.And it was the covering of the water.So it was God's left hand that is placed between him and Moses.And it's revealed that its the left hand even though it doesn't say what hand it was in scripture because when God removes his hand,Moses is only allowed to see his back parts because there was no blood on the cross yet!
Get it?
That's why I had to explain how our bodies are made in his image first.
Now we see his face, and know his name,and the Book of Revelation is the unveiling of the temple veil. And who do we see?Jesus.Moses saw Jesus and heard him declare his name.
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even in Exodus 3, because it was "The Angel of The LORD" in the burning bush Who spoke to him and declared His name, saying tell them I AM sent you
The visible manifestation of the invisible God. This is The Son: Christ is the I AM.
Joshua sees Him too, with His sword drawn in His hand outside Jericho - and lives.
The visible manifestation of the invisible God. This is The Son: Christ is the I AM.
Joshua sees Him too, with His sword drawn in His hand outside Jericho - and lives.
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In John 1:1 Jesus is called "the Word of God". Yet the KJB translators failed to capitalize "Word" in the OT where is was applicable to Christ. Here is one example: After these things the Word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?... And, behold, the Word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. (Gen 15:1,2,4) Here are other examples: And the LORD appeared again in Shiloh: for the LORD revealed himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the Word of the LORD... Then came the Word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night. (1 Sam 3:21;15:10)
It is obvious that this is a person speaking to Abram and Samuel, but the ordinary translation does not show this.
It is obvious that this is a person speaking to Abram and Samuel, but the ordinary translation does not show this.
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• Ex 24:9-11 . . Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders
of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something
like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself. But God did not
raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and
they ate and drank.
It's debated exactly what Moses and the elders viewed because according to
Ex 33:20, John 1:18, John 5:37, and 1Tim 6:16 nobody yet has actually
seen God in person.
The mention of God's feet suggests that He appeared to them in the form of
a man, but His feet appear again in Nahum 1:3 and probably shouldn't be taken
to be extremities like ours.
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• Ex 24:9-11 . . Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders
of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something
like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself. But God did not
raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and
they ate and drank.
It's debated exactly what Moses and the elders viewed because according to
Ex 33:20, John 1:18, John 5:37, and 1Tim 6:16 nobody yet has actually
seen God in person.
The mention of God's feet suggests that He appeared to them in the form of
a man, but His feet appear again in Nahum 1:3 and probably shouldn't be taken
to be extremities like ours.
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Is the Bible contradictory about God's visibility?
This issue involves a host of verses in which God is said to be "seen" in some way, and these are variously set against the following:
This response is basically correct, but requires some further elucidation. We shall analyze the relevant verses in a chronological order so that we can see, not a contradiction, but a paradox that is unraveled before our eyes.
there is alos a video at the link
Is the Bible contradictory about God's visibility?
This issue involves a host of verses in which God is said to be "seen" in some way, and these are variously set against the following:
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time.(cf. John 6:46)
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live.
1 Tim. 6:16 Whom no man hath seen nor can see.
A general answer often given is that these verses indicate that God cannot be seen by men when in his full glory. God can be seen when in lesser form - as in the incarnation of Jesus Christ, or a theophany. These lesser forms are indicated, although their nature probably not fully understood by all of the writers, in Exod. 24:9,10, Amos 9:1, Gen. 26:2 and 32:30, John 14:9, and Ex. 33:11.This response is basically correct, but requires some further elucidation. We shall analyze the relevant verses in a chronological order so that we can see, not a contradiction, but a paradox that is unraveled before our eyes.
- Gen. 17:1, 26:2 -- Although these are the first places where it is said that God appears before someone, there is very little that can actually be drawn from it. God "appears" -- but in what form?
It is perhaps important to note that in both cases, it is Yahweh who appears before Abe and Isaac -- not Elohim, God's "majestic power" name. We'll get more into this shortly.
Gen. 32:30 -- Our next verse in this set is not really trouble to begin with, because it only reflects what Jacob thinks and says in the first place. Even so, we can draw something for this issue from it. First of all, the Hebrew term "face" has an idiomatic twist which refers to awareness and direct knowledge of presence, without the help or hindrance of a mediator -- one might say today, it is a "close encounter" of a personal kind.
Second, note that Jacob here says he sees not Yahweh, but Elohim.
Finally, most important to note here is Jacob's reaction. He clearly knows that the fact that his life was preserved is something unexpected. What we see being set up here is not a contradiction, but a paradox. Jacob knows that God cannot be seen, or the result is death; but something has happened that overruled that normal constraint. His reaction presupposes knowledge that God cannot be seen, and so he is aware of the "contradiction," which should give us pause.
What happened? Far be it for Jacob to know. But by the time of Exodus, someone gets a clue about an important distinction...
Ex. 24:9-11 -- Things are starting to develop here for our paradox. Once again, it seems that it was expected that something bad would happen (v. 11); and yet, there seems to be a sort of surprise that no harm came to the elders. But two factors now come to the fore. First, the Hebrew word here for see is chazah -- and has the connotation of gazing at, with mental perception, or having a vision.
The second factor is our key verse:
Ex. 33:18-23 -- This quote should actually be started as I have, at verse 18, for it is the keystone verse for my general "glory" explanation above. Note that Moses asks to see God's glory (v. 18) -- this word having the meaning of a radiance. Now recall again the Hebrew idiomatic use of "face" -- and connect this also with the face as the outward reaction ("radiance") of the inner person.
And now it becomes clear why we have explained things as we have: Jacob had not seen God's "face" in this idiomatic sense; nor had anyone else so far. At the same time, the Hebrew word here is different: ra'ah. This carries a simpler connotation of seeing and discerning by sight; or, it carries the idea of "taking heed unto" or considering. It is a general word used almost 1500 times in the OT, and merely establishes awareness without establishing the means whereby awareness is made.
Ra'ah is the word used in our first two Genesis quotes, and in the next quote:
Numbers 14:14 And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.
Amos 9:1 -- Now here again, and in Numbers, note that it is Yahweh who is seen -- not the majestic Elohim.
Admittedly there are a couple of places where Elohim does appear to people (Gen. 35:9, 2 Chr. 1:7), but several things may be noted about this:
1) the rarity of the usage suggests that this is the result of the known process of scribes incorrectly substituting the divine name where it should not be, or else substituting Elohim intentionally as a form of "reverential evasion" associated with a hesitation to pronounce or write the divine name of Yahweh;
2) even without that, there is no indication that what was seen was God's glory, as opposed to some sort of other manifestation;
3) the general meaning of ra'ah can imply, but does not necessarily indicate, a physical appearance. Without further description of how the matters transpired, it is not possible to affirm that God has been "seen" in a way contrary to our verses above.
John 1:18 -- With the New Testament, the dichotomy between seeing Yahweh on the one hand, and not seeing Elohim on the other, remains. John, in mirroring the prologue of Genesis, clearly means to equate "God" here with the majestic Elohim.
The Greek word here (and in John 6:46), incidentally, is horao, and is used in the sense of understanding, as in Matthew 18:10: "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven."
John 14:7 -- I am frankly surprised to see this verse ever brought up in the discussion. Here "seeing" (also horao) God is equated with knowing Jesus. One might roughly equate this with a famous baseball figure saying, "You're looking at the next Babe Ruth":
Recall that in John 10:30, Jesus declares oneness in essence with the Father. This is not the same as saying that they are seeing God's literal glory.
1 Tim. 6:16 -- And so this cite too is now quite clear. The One who dwells in unapproachable light (God's radiant glory) can refer only to the majestic Elohim of the OT. And that this is so is made more clear by the fact that the word here is eido -- which, like ra'ah, is a "physical sight" word (cf. Matt. 2:12).
there is alos a video at the link
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26. GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen. EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.
Response: In the verses that pertain to no person being able to see God, these are all about God the Father. Indeed, we must be able to see God, since Jesus is God and thousands of people saw Him. We may not be able to see God the Father, however we can see Jesus, and I believe the sightings of God in the Old Testament are simply the pre-incarnate Christ. Still God – but seeable! How you doin.
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https://www.bibledingers.com/post/wvw-bible-contradictions-part-2
26. GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen. EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.
Response: In the verses that pertain to no person being able to see God, these are all about God the Father. Indeed, we must be able to see God, since Jesus is God and thousands of people saw Him. We may not be able to see God the Father, however we can see Jesus, and I believe the sightings of God in the Old Testament are simply the pre-incarnate Christ. Still God – but seeable! How you doin.
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https://www.bibledingers.com/post/wvw-bible-contradictions-part-2
https://www.aomin.org/aoblog/atheism/answering-common-questions-and-objections-part-2/
"SOLUTION: The verses which teach that no man can see God are referring to no mortal man in this life. Even Moses was refused this honor (Ex. 33:23). Mortal man is not suited for that exposure. However, what mortal man cannot see in this life, immortal man will see in the next life (1 Cor. 13:12; Rev. 22:4). This is known as the beatific (blessed) vision and will be the spiritual climax of the believer to see God face-to-face, to know Him directly in His essence and not merely indirectly as reflected through created things (Rom. 1:18–20). "
https://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-solutions/John_1.18.php
Me: people will see God at the Judgement.
Too long to post https://frontlineapologetics.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/the-trinity-old-testament-foreshadows/
"SOLUTION: The verses which teach that no man can see God are referring to no mortal man in this life. Even Moses was refused this honor (Ex. 33:23). Mortal man is not suited for that exposure. However, what mortal man cannot see in this life, immortal man will see in the next life (1 Cor. 13:12; Rev. 22:4). This is known as the beatific (blessed) vision and will be the spiritual climax of the believer to see God face-to-face, to know Him directly in His essence and not merely indirectly as reflected through created things (Rom. 1:18–20). "
https://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-solutions/John_1.18.php
Me: people will see God at the Judgement.
Too long to post https://frontlineapologetics.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/the-trinity-old-testament-foreshadows/
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The prophet Isaiah prophetically foretold of John the Baptist's ministry.
Isaiah 40
3The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
The Hebrew word for "LORD" here is Yahweh or Jehovah. Since John was preparing the way for Jesus, it stands to reason that Jesus is Yahweh or Jehovah.
You should also consider this:
Psalm 102
1{A Prayer of the afflicted, when he is overwhelmed, and poureth out his complaint before the LORD.} Hear my prayer, O LORD, and let my cry come unto thee.
2Hide not thy face from me in the day when I am in trouble; incline thine ear unto me: in the day when I call answer me speedily.
3For my days are consumed like smoke, and my bones are burned as an hearth.
4My heart is smitten, and withered like grass; so that I forget to eat my bread.
5By reason of the voice of my groaning my bones cleave to my skin.
6I am like a pelican of the wilderness: I am like an owl of the desert.
7I watch, and am as a sparrow alone upon the house top.
8Mine enemies reproach me all the day; and they that are mad against me are sworn against me.
9For I have eaten ashes like bread, and mingled my drink with weeping,
10Because of thine indignation and thy wrath: for thou hast lifted me up, and cast me down.
11My days are like a shadow that declineth; and I am withered like grass.
12But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.
13Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.
14For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.
15So the heathen shall fear the name of the LORD, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.
16When the LORD shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.
17He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer.
18This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.
19For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;
20To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;
21To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;
22When the people are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.
23He weakened my strength in the way; he shortened my days.
24I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.
25Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
26They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
27But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
28The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee.
In every instance, the bold-faced "LORD" is Yahweh or Jehovah in the Hebrew.
Why is this important?
It's important because of what is said of the LORD, or Yahweh, or Jehovah in verses 25 through 27.
In other words, those verses are quoted in relation to Jesus in the New Testament.
Hebrews 1
10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Again, this LORD, or Yahweh, or Jehovah is Jesus.
Isaiah 40
3The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
The Hebrew word for "LORD" here is Yahweh or Jehovah. Since John was preparing the way for Jesus, it stands to reason that Jesus is Yahweh or Jehovah.
You should also consider this:
Psalm 102
1{A Prayer of the afflicted, when he is overwhelmed, and poureth out his complaint before the LORD.} Hear my prayer, O LORD, and let my cry come unto thee.
2Hide not thy face from me in the day when I am in trouble; incline thine ear unto me: in the day when I call answer me speedily.
3For my days are consumed like smoke, and my bones are burned as an hearth.
4My heart is smitten, and withered like grass; so that I forget to eat my bread.
5By reason of the voice of my groaning my bones cleave to my skin.
6I am like a pelican of the wilderness: I am like an owl of the desert.
7I watch, and am as a sparrow alone upon the house top.
8Mine enemies reproach me all the day; and they that are mad against me are sworn against me.
9For I have eaten ashes like bread, and mingled my drink with weeping,
10Because of thine indignation and thy wrath: for thou hast lifted me up, and cast me down.
11My days are like a shadow that declineth; and I am withered like grass.
12But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.
13Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.
14For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.
15So the heathen shall fear the name of the LORD, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.
16When the LORD shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.
17He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer.
18This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.
19For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;
20To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;
21To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;
22When the people are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.
23He weakened my strength in the way; he shortened my days.
24I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.
25Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
26They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
27But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
28The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee.
In every instance, the bold-faced "LORD" is Yahweh or Jehovah in the Hebrew.
Why is this important?
It's important because of what is said of the LORD, or Yahweh, or Jehovah in verses 25 through 27.
In other words, those verses are quoted in relation to Jesus in the New Testament.
Hebrews 1
10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Again, this LORD, or Yahweh, or Jehovah is Jesus.
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You are probably referring to this: And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Rev 20:11,12)
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