Jesus Fulfilled the Law. But What Does That Mean?

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Can you find then verses where Apostle Paul quotes the commandments to love GOD. It must be in the N.T. somewhere but I could not locate.


Blessings

Is there much of a difference between this

Exodus 20:3

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

and this

1 Corinthians 8:5-6

"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

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Is there much of a difference between this

Exodus 20:4

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

and this

Acts 17:29-31

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."

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Things like that.

 

[Aaron56]

So if I extrapolate, we could conclude that Christ was a slave of his father? with all the implications mentioned in your last paragraph? You follow the law because you love The Holy Father and the son who gave is the law and who ask us to follow it! the law is not grievous! 1 john 5:3
""For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."" One day when the commandments are in men's hearts it will be true but it is not the case now. see my post no 42

Blessings.

He was born under the Law, yet He came to free the people from the Law. By this, all could be sons of God in Him.

This is what Galatians 4 says: But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Previously, the purpose of the Law is made clear in Galatians 3:

It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

This is so clear it’s silly to continue to adhere to the Law if indeed one’s faith is in Christ.

 

[Aaron56]

Didn't Jesus say in Matt. 5:18
18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Not an iota, not a dot will pass away from the Law until all is accomplished? Right?
And yet iotas and dots have passed away... the temple has been destroyed, there are no more priests, sacrifices and all commands pertaining to such things... all gone.
According to Jesus, nothing would pass until ALL was accomplished... and since iotas and dots have passed away, we can be assured that ALL has been accomplished.

Indeed.

"When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, 'It is finished,' and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit”

 

[Aaron56]

Many people miss the limits of the law. It was given to the people at Sinai only:

“The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.”

Paul addresses this:

“And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.”

A promise relies upon the character of the promiser. The Law is a legally binding contract. What binds the promise of the Father to the Son (and by extension all of us who are in Him) is the love of the Father to the Son and the love of the Son to the Father. The law is defined by the ability of the parties (God and man) The promise, however, is governed by love. That is why it is written:

“And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight“

Under the promise we certainly have commandments. Here they are:

” And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.”

And this is what Paul meant:

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

The “yoke of bondage” is the law. If you follow the law, which had no effect on the promise given 430 prior, you have fallen from grace.

It cannot be more plain.

 

[Blik]

When it says I will put my laws in their hearts it's not talking about the law of Moses but Christ's teachings and commandments. You are seriously mistaken.

The law of Moses tells us not to lie, gossip or steal. Do you really believe the Lord cancelled that? Christ tells us that he didn't in Matthew 5:18.

What do you think the difference is in the new and old covenant? God gave us both, It is God's word that the new covenant is better. What is it that you believe is better about the new covenant?

 

[Blik]

M
The “yoke of bondage” is the law. If you follow the law, which had no effect on the promise given 430 prior, you have fallen from grace.

It cannot be more plain.

Romans 6: 1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

[GaryA]

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the Law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the Law. (Romans 13:8-10)

I am a little bit surprised that you would pull a just-grab-any-'ole-verses-you-can-find stunt like this...

The verses you quoted do not indicate any requirement for a Christian to follow-the-law-to-the-letter [or death for not being able to do so] (which is the requirement of the law); rather, it is talking about [a] 'fulfillment' of the law instead of [the] 'requirement' of the law.

Jesus did not 'destroy' the law (so that it no longer existed or had any purpose for/in existing); rather, His 'fulfillment' of the law "answered" the 'requirement' of the law so that we would not be bound by it - so that we would not have to "answer" the 'requirement' of the law.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The verses you quoted do not indicate any requirement for a Christian to follow-the-law-to-the-letter [or death for not being able to do so] (which is the requirement of the law); rather, it is talking about [a] 'fulfillment' of the law instead of [the] 'requirement' of the law.

More nit-picking. Good Bye.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The law of Moses tells us not to lie, gossip or steal. Do you really believe the Lord cancelled that? Christ tells us that he didn't in Matthew 5:18.

What do you think the difference is in the new and old covenant? God gave us both, It is God's word that the new covenant is better. What is it that you believe is better about the new covenant?

Believe whatever you want. I'm not going to argue this with you; it's not even worth the energy.

 

[Aaron56]

The law of Moses tells us not to lie, gossip or steal. Do you really believe the Lord cancelled that? Christ tells us that he didn't in Matthew 5:18.

What do you think the difference is in the new and old covenant? God gave us both, It is God's word that the new covenant is better. What is it that you believe is better about the new covenant?

If you need a law to tell you to not lie gossip or steal then the spirit of the Lord is not in you.

-Aaron

 

[Aaron56]

Romans 6: 1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

This is a clue for you.

Paul understood that the Law's effect wasn't active because of Christ. So he makes this argument: "Should we sin because the Law isn't active any more?" God forbid! (He concludes). We, who are in Christ, have died to sin. We should recon ourselves dead to sin.

"Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts."

The Law was designed to preserve the people through whom the Seed would come, by putting limits on sin's ability to kill the people. The Law COULD NOT demand that one "reckon themselves dead"... it was designed to preserve the lives of the people.

If we are dead, the Law has no more effect upon us, as it is only effectual toward the living. If the Law were still active over those in Christ Paul would not have made this argument.

 

[Grace911]

The law of Moses tells us not to lie, gossip or steal. Do you really believe the Lord cancelled that? Christ tells us that he didn't in Matthew 5:18.

What do you think the difference is in the new and old covenant? God gave us both, It is God's word that the new covenant is better. What is it that you believe is better about the new covenant?

The Old Covenant was the marriage of all 12 tribes and the strangers and aliens at Shavuot/Pentecost at Mt. Sinai. The LORD punished their disobedience to that marriage vow by allowing them to go into captivity. The Ten tribes of the house of Israel did not repent, forgot their LORD/husband and forgot the house rules of the LORD/husband and thus the LORD divorced them and they were scattered throughout the whole world.

The New Covenant, at Shavuot/Pentecost 31 AD (ten days after Jesus ascended to heaven) gave the Helper and Comforter in the form of the Holy Spirit. This gave those who received the Holy Spirit the POWER/ABILITY to now keep the Covenant marriage and the WANT TO OBEY.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

He was born under the Law, yet He came to free the people from the Law. By this, all could be sons of God in Him.

This is what Galatians 4 says: But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Previously, the purpose of the Law is made clear in Galatians 3:

It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

This is so clear it’s silly to continue to adhere to the Law if indeed one’s faith is in Christ.

it is your choice not to adhere to the law, you have free will.

Blessings.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

When it says I will put my laws in their hearts it's not talking about the law of Moses but Christ's teachings and commandments. You are seriously mistaken.

that’s exactly it the messiah is the lawgiver and thisnis what he said hundreds of years after Moses law was given from Sinai

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He isnt saying “ my law already came from Moses “ he’s saying in the future I will come and speak my laws and judgements as a light for the people “

 

[Ted01]

The Old Covenant was the marriage of all 12 tribes and the strangers and aliens at Shavuot/Pentecost at Mt. Sinai. The LORD punished their disobedience to that marriage vow by allowing them to go into captivity. The Ten tribes of the house of Israel did not repent, forgot their LORD/husband and forgot the house rules of the LORD/husband and thus the LORD divorced them and they were scattered throughout the whole world.

The New Covenant, at Shavuot/Pentecost 31 AD (ten days after Jesus ascended to heaven) gave the Helper and Comforter in the form of the Holy Spirit. This gave those who received the Holy Spirit the POWER/ABILITY to now keep the Covenant marriage and the WANT TO OBEY.

Hmm... if God married 12 tribes of Israel and all the Gentile nations too; wouldn't that be bigamy/polygamy?

 

[Aaron56]

that’s exactly it the messiah is the lawgiver and thisnis what he said hundreds of years after Moses law was given from Sinai

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He isnt saying “ my law already came from Moses “ he’s saying in the future I will come and speak my laws and judgements as a light for the people “

Indeed!

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds..."

In the exact translation His is not there. It reads "..in these last days spoken to us by Son". This is a different language because it is a different Testament.

Under the Law, as Jesus was born, Jesus could only speak the words of His Father. When Jesus died and arose as the Christ, proving that Death and Sin had no hold on Him, the Father gave Him the right to decree the things of the Kingdom because He was the "exact representation of the Father's being". In effect, when we see Him we see the Father. This is what Hebrews 1:3 means...

"The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."

 

[Aaron56]

I don't often speak so plainly about certain doctrines but...

The idea that the Law, including the 10 Commandments, is our guide for living is demonic.

Those in bondage to sin are led by the Law. They are slaves to death and sin.

Sons are led by the Spirit of God. They are slaves to Christ.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Indeed!

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds..."

In the exact translation His is not there. It reads "..in these last days spoken to us by Son". This is a different language because it is a different Testament.

Under the Law, as Jesus was born, Jesus could only speak the words of His Father. When Jesus died and arose as the Christ, proving that Death and Sin had no hold on Him, the Father gave Him the right to decree the things of the Kingdom because He was the "exact representation of the Father's being". In effect, when we see Him we see the Father. This is what Hebrews 1:3 means...

"The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."

“Judah is a lion's whelp: From the prey, my son, thou art gone up: He stooped down, he couched as a lion, And as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh come; And unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Binding his foal unto the vine, And his ass's colt unto the choice vine; He washed his garments in wine, And his clothes in the blood of grapes:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭49:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The lion of Judah

Indeed!

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds..."

In the exact translation His is not there. It reads "..in these last days spoken to us by Son". This is a different language because it is a different Testament.

Under the Law, as Jesus was born, Jesus could only speak the words of His Father. When Jesus died and arose as the Christ, proving that Death and Sin had no hold on Him, the Father gave Him the right to decree the things of the Kingdom because He was the "exact representation of the Father's being". In effect, when we see Him we see the Father. This is what Hebrews 1:3 means...

"The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."

I love the simplicity and plan of God by faith

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me:

and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-2, 4, 9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Grace911]

Hmm... if God married 12 tribes of Israel and all the Gentile nations too; wouldn't that be bigamy/polygamy?

How many brides will Jesus have? Wouldn't that make the bridegroom a polygamist?

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

I don't often speak so plainly about certain doctrines but...

The idea that the Law, including the 10 Commandments, is our guide for living is demonic.

Those in bondage to sin are led by the Law. They are slaves to death and sin.

Sons are led by the Spirit of God. They are slaves to Christ.

Aaron56 please consider the passages below;
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Obeying the commandments frees from sin not the reverse!;
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, thenare ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

As you know sin is defined as breaking the commandments, it is why they were given in the first place. Our Holy Father in Heaven wants his children to be Holy and sin no more. The penalty Jesus paid with his own blood, but does this mean we let go the goodness of the law?

1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

I could go on and on but your mind seems to be made up about the commandments.

Blessings brother.