"Jesus died for everybody's sins"
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Then it appears we are in agreement 
The purpose of this thread is to challenge the old saying "Jesus died for everybody's sins".
When we look closely at what this saying means, we see clearly that it isn't true.
That's the only purpose of this thread
The purpose of this thread is to challenge the old saying "Jesus died for everybody's sins".
When we look closely at what this saying means, we see clearly that it isn't true.
That's the only purpose of this thread
4 verses that proclaim Jesus PAID for ALL sin:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, """which taketh away the sin of the world""".
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give """for the life of the world""".
1 Timothy 2:6 Who """gave himself a ransom for all""", to be testified in due time.
1 John 2:2 Jesus is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also """for the sins of the whole world""".
Recap: Christ the propitiation = reconciliating/atoning sacrifice. 1 Jn 2:2 "for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" Jn 1:29 "TAKES AWAY the SIN of the WORLD" Jn 6:51 "for the life of the WORLD" 1 Tim 2:6 "gave himself a ransom for ALL"
There are conditions required to access/seize Christ's redemptive sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection:
Acknowledge Gods sovereign existence, that you regret your sins in violation of his rules & that He sent His Son to atone for sin.
We access/seize God's grace thru Faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8) placed in Jesus death (sins required wage/debt (Rom 6:23) PAID in full) burial (proof Jesus died) & resurrection (Father's receipt, sin payment received & accepted) Amen & amen!
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, """which taketh away the sin of the world""".
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give """for the life of the world""".
1 Timothy 2:6 Who """gave himself a ransom for all""", to be testified in due time.
1 John 2:2 Jesus is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also """for the sins of the whole world""".
Recap: Christ the propitiation = reconciliating/atoning sacrifice. 1 Jn 2:2 "for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" Jn 1:29 "TAKES AWAY the SIN of the WORLD" Jn 6:51 "for the life of the WORLD" 1 Tim 2:6 "gave himself a ransom for ALL"
There are conditions required to access/seize Christ's redemptive sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection:
Acknowledge Gods sovereign existence, that you regret your sins in violation of his rules & that He sent His Son to atone for sin.
We access/seize God's grace thru Faith (Rom 5:1-2, Eph 2:8) placed in Jesus death (sins required wage/debt (Rom 6:23) PAID in full) burial (proof Jesus died) & resurrection (Father's receipt, sin payment received & accepted) Amen & amen!
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I agree with your post because it appears we are in agreement.
When people say "Jesus died for my sins", they mean to imply that Jesus' sacrifice covers their sins and reconciles them with God.
But this is not the case for people who do not reconcile themselves with God through Jesus by following him, i.e. Jesus' sacrifice doesn't save everybody, i.e. Jesus didn't die for everybody's sins.
He provided everybody the OPPORTUNITY to follow him, but not everybody will.
When people say "Jesus died for my sins", they mean to imply that Jesus' sacrifice covers their sins and reconciles them with God.
But this is not the case for people who do not reconcile themselves with God through Jesus by following him, i.e. Jesus' sacrifice doesn't save everybody, i.e. Jesus didn't die for everybody's sins.
He provided everybody the OPPORTUNITY to follow him, but not everybody will.
Premise 1: Faith cometh by hearing ... Romans 10:17
Premise 2: Faith is necessary for Salvation John 3:16
Premise 3: Not everyone hears the Gospel
Conclusion: Jesus did not die for people that did not hear the gospel as it is not possible that they could be saved
Conclusion: God did not die for everyone
Premise 1: God knows everything
Premise 2: God knows who will not believe salvifically
Premise 3: God does nothing in vain
Conclusion: God did not die in vain for unbelievers
Conclusion: God did not die for everyone
Premise 2: Faith is necessary for Salvation John 3:16
Premise 3: Not everyone hears the Gospel
Conclusion: Jesus did not die for people that did not hear the gospel as it is not possible that they could be saved
Conclusion: God did not die for everyone
Premise 1: God knows everything
Premise 2: God knows who will not believe salvifically
Premise 3: God does nothing in vain
Conclusion: God did not die in vain for unbelievers
Conclusion: God did not die for everyone
But the gospel is not the cause of your eternal salvation. It gives the born again person the information telling him how he was saved eternally. The reason you cannot see what i am presenting to you is that you refuse to accept that salvation is "a deliverance", and the new born babe in Christ is delivered, here in this world, from his lack of knowledge about how he was delivered eternally, when he understands the gospel as it is preached to him.
Not according to Jesus. What do they know according to Paul?
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:19–21 (KJV 1900)
Point out something that would ever want anything to do with Christ, other than to kill him.
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:19–21 (KJV 1900)
Point out something that would ever want anything to do with Christ, other than to kill him.
When people say "Jesus died for my sins", they mean to say that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross will cover their sins in order that they are not judged on them.
But people can only reconcile with God by believing in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Those who do not believe in him do not receive salvation - right or wrong?
So when people say "Jesus died for everybody's sins", this is not true because Jesus' sacrifice does not cover the sins of everybody.
Our faith is full of these generalised sayings that just aren't true.
But people can only reconcile with God by believing in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Those who do not believe in him do not receive salvation - right or wrong?
So when people say "Jesus died for everybody's sins", this is not true because Jesus' sacrifice does not cover the sins of everybody.
Our faith is full of these generalised sayings that just aren't true.