Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?

[Yahcubs777]

The sounding of the 7th trumpet/third woe, is one of plagues of wrath within the trumpet judgments, with the results being Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven. When Adam and Eve were disobedient, the authority of the earth was given to Satan, as can be concluded from the following:

"The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours."

Therefore, Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth is a part of the process of the authority of the earth reverting back from Satan to God and His Christ. This all happens in the middle of the seven years and he therefore has only 3 1/2 years before the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and is locked in and sealed into the Abyss during the Lord's thousand year reign.



The 'Her' in the scripture above, is directed at God's people who are within Babylon the great, which is the idolatrous religious system that is posing as the true church of God. The angel told John: The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth. At the time that John was receiving this information, Rome was that city that ruled over the kings of the earth. The angel also said that the seven heads of the dragon are seven hills upon which the woman sits. This would be telling us that the woman is a city that sits on seven hills. Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills. The woman is also said to be dressed in purple and scarlet, which are the exact colors worn by the bishops and cardinals of Roman Catholicism.

What does all this mean? The woman is the idolatrous religious system with her headquarters being in Rome, i.e. the Vatican. When that beast comes, the woman will ride the beast, i.e. use his authority to regain her religious control over all people. It is those who belong to God of whom God is saying "come out of her my people so that you will not share in her sins or partake of her plagues." The rest of the world, the kings and inhabitants will be committing spiritual adultery with the woman, i.e. engaging in her pagan practices and beliefs.

Also, the kings of the earth are not men, they are the heads of the beast, they are cherubim just as lucifer is a cherub. There are 7 heads of the beast, Lucifer and 5 other cherubim, and one seraph - who is that old serpent from the very events of Genesis 1.

Rev.10 and 18:4 have nothing to do with each other.



Scriptures to back all that up, please. Otherwise it is just your word.

The seven heads were a succession of seven kings. At the time that John was receiving that information, five of those seven had come and gone. King number six was ruling as John was receiving that information. The beast is an eighth king who belongs to the seven. The ten kings are future and will rule concurrently with the beast in the future. There is nothing in scripture that states that any of the seven were angels, nor are those future ten kings.

Again, its Prophetic. Do you recall Arch Angel Gabriel say that he conteded with the prince of persia for 21 days? Do you know that the Prince of Persia is not a man? How would an Arch Angel contend with a man? No, he is a cherub, and he attempted to stop Arch Angel Gabriel from travelling the river euphrates to the earth to see daniel. So Arch Angel Gabriel got the help Arch Angel Michael and he was able to get through and see daniel.

The 7 heads of the beast are the kings of the earth which lucifer put in charge of one thing or another of the earth. And they are not human kings, they are cherubim, tare cherubim and one seraph.

Their names are:
Bomi
Shiva
Bhuddah
Khalia
Rah
Beelzebub
Lucifer.

These are the 7 heads of the beast.

Again, this is true. You can believe or not believe its your choice. I am sharing this message to the seeking children of the kingdom.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If there are mistranslations, how can you say it's still GOD's WORD?

Because you can -- and should -- separate the chaff from the wheat. Now it is up to you to dig deeper and get at the truth.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Rev.10 and 18:4 have nothing to do with each other.



Scriptures to back all that up, please. Otherwise it is just your word.

The seven heads were a succession of seven kings. At the time that John was receiving that information, five of those seven had come and gone. King number six was ruling as John was receiving that information. The beast is an eighth king who belongs to the seven. The ten kings are future and will rule concurrently with the beast in the future. There is nothing in scripture that states that any of the seven were angels, nor are those future ten kings.

Rev 10:7 and Rev 18:4 are speaking of the same person.

But as long as you hold to the verse: If an angel of heaven preaches a different gospel to the one i have taught you, you will not hear the call when it comes.

Why would an angel from heaven preach the wrong gospel? All the tare angels have been chased out of heaven.

Yet there have been 6 Angels of the churches that the children of the kingdom listened to.
Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Apostle Peter. The 7th, is Elijah, the Son of Man.

NO where is saul paul listed.

And i tell you, it is saul paul today in Abrahams Bosom asking apostle peter for forgiveness for the havocs he has done to the church. He is responsible for the falling away. And Jesus His Pre-Eminence saw it and said: I saw satan transform into an angel of light - to show that they enemies of the mankind race would being preach the message they persecuted the prophets and apostles for.

But Saul Paul is a child of the kingdom, and there is in Abrahams Bosom today. But he is not a candidate of the first resurrection. He is a candidate of the 2nd resurrection and will not eat from the tree of life.

And a servant cannot be greater than his master. Truly he is for the gentiles, because the gentiles are all candidates of the second resurrection. And it is proven in the fact that they followed his teachings, and forsaked the teachings of Elijah.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Because you can -- and should -- separate the chaff from the wheat. Now it is up to you to dig deeper and get at the truth.

The Apostles were told that they were not the ones to do it. Jesus His Pre-Eminence made it clear that they did not have the ability to do it without ripping up the wheat as well. The only people that should delve into that are PROPHETS.

And that is why the Prophet of the highest order, Elijah is the restorer of all things, we was personified as the good samaritan, and the samaritan women was personified as the church, who had 5 husbands (the 5 angels of the churches: Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua) and the one she had then was not her husband (Apostle Peter), because her husband is actually the good samaritan - who saw a situation with the word, that had been beaten and left to die, and the priest, and the rabbi both walked past it, but the good samaritan looked after it. The good samritan restored the word. Just as the romans beat Jesus His Pre-Eminence (The Word), lashed HIM, and crucified HIM, and left HIM to die revelaing that is also what the romans did to HIS WORD.

ELIJAH that is to come, the 7th Angel of the church, the Son of man, meaning the direct proceed of Father Adam His Eminence in the superbio, is the only one who can delve into that.

 

[JaumeJ]

Hi, I'm just wondering, are you are referring to Rev 21:14?
Since Jesus personally elected Paul to replace Judas, why would his name not be included there?

Rev 21:14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
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This is not so dear one. According to prophecy and the New Testament, Judas was replaced by drawing lots by Matthew, the second one. One moment and I will get the Scropture for the fulfilling of this....

Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

I do read and learn reading Paul but my primary Source is the Evangelists and firstly Jesus-Yeshua.

All blessings in our Savior, Jesus-Yeshua.

 

[Yahcubs777]

This is not so dear one. According to prophecy and the New Testament, Judas was replaced by drawing lots by Matthew, the second one. One moment and I will get the Scropture for the fulfilling of this....

Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

I do read and learn reading Paul but my primary Source is the Evangelists and firstly Jesus-Yeshua.

All blessings in our Savior, Jesus-Yeshua.

I have a question for you. Why would the All knowing GOD operate according to chance? The reason they cast lots is because GOD did not answer them. Furthermore, if you understand who the 12 Apostles were pointing to, you would see Judas cannot be replaced. Which of the 12 tribes of Israel were replaced with another?

 

[JaumeJ]

The replacing of Judas is foretold in the Old Testament. The drawing of lots was putting the decision in God's hand. It is all in the word. Mtthias was chosen not only by prophecy but by our Father.

 

[Yahcubs777]

The replacing of Judas is foretold in the Old Testament. The drawing of lots was putting the decision in God's hand. It is all in the word. Mtthias was chosen not only by prophecy but by our Father.

No it isn't. The 12 that walked with Jesus His Pre-Eminence were in the shoes of the 12 Patriarchs of the 12 tribes of Israel. None were replaced. How can you in all honestly claim that casting lots was how GOD operates? The GOD who is all knowing? The GOD who spoke to Apostle Peter directly? Rather, it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that GOD did not answer Apostle Peter regarding this. What the 11 did here was wrong, and its not GOD's way. The fact that they would even seek a replacement was showing they did not know who they were defining, or why Judas did what he did. And even moreso, why Jesus His Pre-Eminence who can't make mistakes chose him also.

 

[throughfaith]

For me, the words of the two witnesses: the LAW Moses, and the PROPHET Elijah, that were joined together by the Gospel of Ever Lasting Life that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached is above all.


However, it is the WORDS of Jesus His Pre-Eminence that i rate the highest above all because HE is the GOD in HIS incarnate Manifestation. I hope ive answered your question.

Do you see that all 66 books are all from God . So all scripture? If its all from God ,why would one verse be more authoritative than another? Also do you understand God as ' triune ' ?

 

[JaumeJ]

Study a bit more, and you will find that Judas was to be replaced by drawing lots. I cannot argue with you on this point: actually you could google it and see this is correct. I cannot read the Word and truth for you, only to you.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Do you see that all 66 books are all from God . So all scripture? If its all from God ,why would one verse be more authoritative than another? Also do you understand God as ' triune ' ?

It is written that Jesus His Pre-Eminence said:

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Notice, that HE said: But I say unto you, to show its not what Moses said.

Now if i took the words of Moses and Jesus His Pre-Eminence equally, what should i believe here? The Jews kicked against Jesus His Pre-Eminence message simply because it was sounding like it was not in agreement with Moses. However, Jesus His Pre-Eminence was bringing out what HE had taught moses, but moses did not bring it out accurately. In fact there is alot that Moses heard from the GOD, but was unable to bring out the hidden Manna of the message.

An example: Moses said that no work should be done on the sabbath. So what if a woman had to give birth on the sabbath, should she be left to deal with it on her own? What if a person was very sick? This is to show that is NOT what GOD said. So when Jesus His Pre-Eminence walked the earth, HE healed on the sabbath - again the jews kicked against this.

Another example: Moses said that if a woman is menstruating, she needs to isolate herself from everyone else for a certain time, and she is unclean, and any who touch her unclean. There is a revelation revealed to Moses that he did not get but i don't want to go into it for now. However, There was an event, where a woman who had an issue of blood 12 years said to herself:

If i should only touch the hem of HIS garment, i shall be made whole.

She touched HIM while having that issue, and was made whole according to what was written. According to what Moses said, she is unclean, and any who touch are also unclean. We see this is not the case.

The point is, why would I tnot hold the words of the GOD the highest, knowing that HE came in HIS incarnate Manifestation, preached the Gospel of Everlasting Life, and joined together again the LAW and the PROPHET? Whose divinations, whose words are higher than the GOD HIMSELF talking?

What hasn't really been understood yet is that yes, Great Men of GOD were sent such as Noah, Abraham Joshua, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Above them Enoch, and above them all, the ELIJAH. But, they were measured by the Spirit of Prophecy that they have, meaning the ability they have to first receive the message from GOD in HIS height of communication and frequency, secondly to then decode the message (decipher and assimilate), and then another is to teach the people they were sent too. Moses made alot of mistakes. The Prophets also made mistakes in their transmissions to the people. And then there is the mindset of the scribes that wrote what they said.

Knowing all this, I rate the WORDS of Jesus His Pre-Eminence the highest above all. For HE joined the LAW and the PROPHET. Thus, whatsoever is not in agreement with HIM, is not the WORD of GOD.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Study a bit more, and you will find that Judas was to be replaced by drawing lots. I cannot argue with you on this point: actually you could google it and see this is correct. I cannot read the Word and truth for you, only to you.

Its not about study, its about knowing how the GOD operates. The GOD I know, is not a gambler. The GOD I know, does not operate by time and chance. The GOD I know predestines, the GOD I know answers prayers when the prayer is on point. Apostle Peter being the 6th Angel of the Church should have known better. It happened, im not saying it didn't. But it was the apostles that made the decision to cast lots, and to replace Judas, not GOD.

 

[throughfaith]

It is written that Jesus His Pre-Eminence said:

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Notice, that HE said: But I say unto you, to show its not what Moses said.

Now if i took the words of Moses and Jesus His Pre-Eminence equally, what should i believe here? The Jews kicked against Jesus His Pre-Eminence message simply because it was sounding like it was not in agreement with Moses. However, Jesus His Pre-Eminence was bringing out what HE had taught moses, but moses did not bring it out accurately. In fact there is alot that Moses heard from the GOD, but was unable to bring out the hidden Manna of the message.

An example: Moses said that no work should be done on the sabbath. So what if a woman had to give birth on the sabbath, should she be left to deal with it on her own? What if a person was very sick? This is to show that is NOT what GOD said. So when Jesus His Pre-Eminence walked the earth, HE healed on the sabbath - again the jews kicked against this.

Another example: Moses said that if a woman is menstruating, she needs to isolate herself from everyone else for a certain time, and she is unclean, and any who touch her unclean. There is a revelation revealed to Moses that he did not get but i don't want to go into it for now. However, There was an event, where a woman who had an issue of blood 12 years said to herself:

If i should only touch the hem of HIS garment, i shall be made whole.

She touched HIM while having that issue, and was made whole according to what was written. According to what Moses said, she is unclean, and any who touch are also unclean. We see this is not the case.

The point is, why would I tnot hold the words of the GOD the highest, knowing that HE came in HIS incarnate Manifestation, preached the Gospel of Everlasting Life, and joined together again the LAW and the PROPHET? Whose divinations, whose words are higher than the GOD HIMSELF talking?

What hasn't really been understood yet is that yes, Great Men of GOD were sent such as Noah, Abraham Joshua, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Above them Enoch, and above them all, the ELIJAH. But, they were measured by the Spirit of Prophecy that they have, meaning the ability they have to first receive the message from GOD in HIS height of communication and frequency, secondly to then decode the message (decipher and assimilate), and then another is to teach the people they were sent too. Moses made alot of mistakes. The Prophets also made mistakes in their transmissions to the people. And then there is the mindset of the scribes that wrote what they said.

Knowing all this, I rate the WORDS of Jesus His Pre-Eminence the highest above all. For HE joined the LAW and the PROPHET. Thus, whatsoever is not in agreement with HIM, is not the WORD of GOD.

I guess what am saying is would you pick a verse say in the book of luke spoken by Jesus as more authority than a verse spoken by Paul ect ?

 

[Yahcubs777]

I guess what am saying is would you pick a verse say in the book of luke spoken by Jesus as more authority than a verse spoken by Paul ect ?

If it was spoken by Jesus His Pre-Eminence, i would take it over anyone else, paul included.

 

[throughfaith]

If it was spoken by Jesus His Pre-Eminence, i would take it over anyone else, paul included.

Why ? When all scripture from God . I would see Paul's words as from God . What God wanted us to follow and understand. In context of course .

 

[Yahcubs777]

Why ?

As ive said, because they are the words spoken directly by the GOD HIMSELF.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

This is not so dear one. According to prophecy and the New Testament, Judas was replaced by drawing lots by Matthew, the second one. One moment and I will get the Scropture for the fulfilling of this....

Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

I do read and learn reading Paul but my primary Source is the Evangelists and firstly Jesus-Yeshua.

All blessings in our Savior, Jesus-Yeshua.

I remember that but I believe it was overridden by Jesus in Acts 9
One of the reasons being that casting lots is basically a gamble. Any heathen can do it.
If Jesus is the primary source we must go with his decision.

Matthias was man's choice
Paul was God's choice. His ways are higher that ours.

 

[JaumeJ]

“The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD” (Proverbs 16:33).

 

[JaumeJ]

I remember that but I believe it was overridden by Jesus in Acts 9
One of the reasons being that casting lots is basically a gamble. Any heathen can do it.
If Jesus is the primary source we must go with his decision.

Matthias was man's choice
Paul was God's choice. His ways are higher that ours.

Mattias was a direct witness of Jesus=Yeshua, thus he was qualified to be a replacement of the Lord-s 12th.

 

[Guojing]

No it isn't. The 12 that walked with Jesus His Pre-Eminence were in the shoes of the 12 Patriarchs of the 12 tribes of Israel. None were replaced. How can you in all honestly claim that casting lots was how GOD operates? The GOD who is all knowing? The GOD who spoke to Apostle Peter directly? Rather, it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that GOD did not answer Apostle Peter regarding this. What the 11 did here was wrong, and its not GOD's way. The fact that they would even seek a replacement was showing they did not know who they were defining, or why Judas did what he did. And even moreso, why Jesus His Pre-Eminence who can't make mistakes chose him also.

Casting lots was a common practice in the OT. The practice of casting lots occurs most often in connection with the division of the land under Joshua (Joshua chapters 14-21), a procedure that God instructed the Israelites on several times in the book of Numbers (Numbers 26:55; 33:54; 34:13; 36:2).

God allowed the Israelites to cast lots in order to determine His will for a given situation (Joshua 18:6-10; 1 Chronicles 24:5,31).

Various offices and functions in the temple were also determined by lot (1 Chronicles 24:5, 31; 25:8-9; 26:13-14).

The sailors on Jonah’s ship (Jonah 1:7) also cast lots to determine who had brought God’s wrath upon their ship.