James & Ecclesiastes - What is Wisdom?

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SilverFox7

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Do you see what is now done for you presently and forever from God to you or not?
Doubt is kicking you around the podium, Am I good enough? No, no one is, and that be why Father sent Son for us all. Those in that first testament could not understand.Could not enter Father's rest, because of "Unbelief" completed in Son.
Yes, brother, we see, experience, and understand what God is doing for us now and what his eternal plans are for us in the future. It appears Solomon didn't have that type of relationship where we walk by faith that God has our best interests at heart and loves us deeply. We love Him in return. We are His children, His workmanship being molded and shaped into the image of Christ, our Lord and Savior.

I'm not saying that Solomon had it all wrong on His views of the Eternal. He had some good insights to share as well:

"I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives, and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God" (Ecc. 3: 12). Amen. We absolutely should rejoice and do good in our lives to the best of our ability, working hard and expressing the gifts God has given us. I'm appreciative for the food and drink the Lord provides to sustain our lives and give us the energy to contribute in a positive way to our families and the organizations we serve within.

I like what Solomon does from a literary angle in chapter 3 by mixing poetry with prose to express his thoughts and feelings. He goes from poetry in verses 1-8, prose in verses 9-13, and back to poetry in verses 14-17:

I know that whatever God
does,
It shall be forever.

Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.
God does it, that men should
fear before Him.

That which is has already
been,
And what is to be has already
been;
And God requires an account
of what is past.

Moreover I saw under the sun:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of
righteousness,
Iniquity was there.

I said in my heart,

“God shall judge the righteous
and the wicked,
For there is a time there for
every purpose and for every
work.


It seems Solomon understands that God is in control, and He is a righteous Judge. I think what's giving him the most anguish is captured in chapter 2 verses 17-19 - all the work he has done to lead Israel to the height of power and wealth is going to be left "...to the man who will come after me. And who knows whether he will be wise or a fool?" Youch, Solomon doesn't know at this point how well the succession plan will work out after he dies? That is not a good thing, and it turns out the one who came after him was a fool.

I'm going to need to brush up on the history of Solomon's reign a little more to understand what happened during his reign. It started out with such promise, Israel was a diamond in the rough during the peek of his reign, but oh how it's fall was swift and tragic during the latter part of his reign to those who came after him. The poetry above gives us a hint of what was likely going on in his own leadership and priestly circle:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of
righteousness,
Iniquity was there. (Ecc. 3: 16)
 

homwardbound

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Yes, brother, we see, experience, and understand what God is doing for us now and what his eternal plans are for us in the future. It appears Solomon didn't have that type of relationship where we walk by faith that God has our best interests at heart and loves us deeply. We love Him in return. We are His children, His workmanship being molded and shaped into the image of Christ, our Lord and Savior.

I'm not saying that Solomon had it all wrong on His views of the Eternal. He had some good insights to share as well:

"I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives, and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God" (Ecc. 3: 12). Amen. We absolutely should rejoice and do good in our lives to the best of our ability, working hard and expressing the gifts God has given us. I'm appreciative for the food and drink the Lord provides to sustain our lives and give us the energy to contribute in a positive way to our families and the organizations we serve within.

I like what Solomon does from a literary angle in chapter 3 by mixing poetry with prose to express his thoughts and feelings. He goes from poetry in verses 1-8, prose in verses 9-13, and back to poetry in verses 14-17:

I know that whatever God
does,
It shall be forever.


Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.
God does it, that men should
fear before Him.


That which is has already
been,
And what is to be has already
been;
And God requires an account
of what is past.


Moreover I saw under the sun:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of
righteousness,
Iniquity was there.


I said in my heart,

“God shall judge the righteous
and the wicked,
For there is a time there for
every purpose and for every
work.


It seems Solomon understands that God is in control, and He is a righteous Judge. I think what's giving him the most anguish is captured in chapter 2 verses 17-19 - all the work he has done to lead Israel to the height of power and wealth is going to be left "...to the man who will come after me. And who knows whether he will be wise or a fool?" Youch, Solomon doesn't know at this point how well the succession plan will work out after he dies? That is not a good thing, and it turns out the one who came after him was a fool.

I'm going to need to brush up on the history of Solomon's reign a little more to understand what happened during his reign. It started out with such promise, Israel was a diamond in the rough during the peek of his reign, but oh how it's fall was swift and tragic during the latter part of his reign to those who came after him. The poetry above gives us a hint of what was likely going on in his own leadership and priestly circle:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of
righteousness,
Iniquity was there. (Ecc. 3: 16)
thank you for what you see, past, present and not future yet
Who, Lord will believe our report?The wickedness and iniquity still here on earth
There are those that glory in their iniquity, seeing they need God and that God's grace presently is sufficient for them today. Which makes God Father and Son as Won (One) perfect. Especially with the "I", me out of the way, not interfering with the love and mercy given us, spreading that Holy Fire to all, at least me, I see this after such a long walk of a short pier daily, in angst over trying to be good enough and couldn't and can't. So I see let go, trust Father to do the done work of Son through me, me out of the way
I saw to free my mind, and gave God my IQ too thanking Father, I am nothing, Father and Son as Won for me and all people is the greatest of the greatest, forgotten a lot in people looking at people and excusing and judging one another not good for my Soul
As we each grow new in God's love and mercy given us through Son that is risen where art gets given A gift that produces work. New work of the done work done by Son for us all to rejoice in
Thanking God for this love and mercy, without that, no one stands a chance, so I quit self works
 

SilverFox7

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For the balance of chapter 3 in Ecclesiastes, Solomon turns has attention and monologue to death:

Ecclesiastes 3:18-22

New King James Version

18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.” 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.

20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who[a] knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth? 22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his [b]heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

Solomon doesn't appear to have a whole lot of hope in an afterlife, and he equates humans with animals in their common end: mortality. Man and beast survive in part by the breath of life, and once that breath is gone, flesh and blood cease to exist. We don't have any advantage over the animals in that respect, "for all is vanity," temporary. I'm reading a good essay on Proverbs and Ecclesiastes that I will share in more detail later, but one observation that stood out is the word vanity can also be translated as "breath." Life is a breath that lasts but a short time.

Some point to verse 21 expressing trust in the spirit returning to God "upward" in heaven, but there are other translations that probably better capture Solomon's morose musings on the fate of man at death: "Who knows whether the spirit...goes upward...?" From his point of view, death may be just what it literally means - cessation of life. Solomon doesn't seem to share his father's sense of confidence and hope in an afterlife:

...But those who wait on the
Lord,
They shall inherit the earth.

For the Lord loves justice,
And does not forsake His
saints;
They are preserved forever...

The righteous shall inherit the
land.
And dwell in it forever. (Psalm 37: 9, 28-29)


David's words echo those of Jesus',

Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the
earth. (Matt 5:5)
 

SilverFox7

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Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the
earth. (Matt 5:5)
Going back to Psalm 37, David says:

But the meek shall inherit the
earth,
And shall delight themselves in
the abundance of peace. (v. 11)


James joins in on this conversation and has a lot to say about meekness, humility, and the importance of being a good listener. "So then my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" (James 1: 19). Meekness is a trait where we listen carefully, especially to God, and we seek to empathize with others. Having a humble heart allows us to lift others up above ourselves and causes us to continually learn and grow in our spiritual dependence on God.

James admonishes us to "Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?" (v. 5). Solomon had it all and was one of the richest men on earth, yet he didn't have faith and apparently had little hope in the kingdom that God has promised us as His heirs "who love Him." Where Solomon was focused on the here and now of his vast kingdom that he would no longer be able to rule beyond the grave, we as Christians have our greatest hope beyond this world to the life we have in Jesus Christ forever.

One of my pastors gave an entire sermon about humility, and his main thrust was that humility comes from God. It's not something we can well up by our own strength. Our prayers and desires should include asking our Father to help us become more meek, willing, and open to serve more fully for His kingdom. Like faith, meekness is a gift from God, and James tells us to "Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up" (James 4:10). Solomon was focused way too much on pride and power later in his career. As the shadow of death looms closer, Solomon doesn't like what he is seeing or feeling about the end of his life.

I wonder if Ecclesiastes is in part a lesson for Solomon in meekness and repentance?
 

SilverFox7

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Ecclesiastes 4 has a pessimistic tone, yet there are some good things to consider as well:

Ecclesiastes 4:1-3

New King James Version

The Uselessness of Selfish Toil

4 Then I returned and considered all the oppression that is done under the sun:
And look! The tears of the oppressed,
But they have no comforter—
[a]On the side of their oppressors there is power,
But they have no comforter.

2 Therefore I praised the dead who were already dead,
More than the living who are still alive.
3 Yet, better than both is he who has never existed,
Who has not seen the evil work that is done under the sun
.

I'm about half way through Solomon's reign in I Kings, and on the whole, it was a prosperous time for Israel. Solomon was still communing with God, and the kingdom had a brand new temple and palace with abundance and prosperity. There was peace on every front of Israel. Yet, later in his career as expressed in this chapter, the tide was turning. There was oppression that was apparently beyond Solomon's control to reign in, and he praises the dead more than the living.

Worse yet, "he who has never existed" is better off than the living and the dead? Talk about the depths of depression seeing mankind and their viscous human nature at its worst. I see no reference to God in this chapter and apart from Him, this life can be filled with a lot of emptiness, suffering, and hopelessness. As Solomon strays from God, the kingdom of Israel enters into turmoil, and he is crushed by the degradation.

Jesus teaches us that life should be filled with purpose and hope in our relationship with Him. Although we may not always fully realize the work Jesus is doing in and through us, we are having a positive impact on those who are a part of our lives. We are lights, and the power of Jesus should shine brightly through us. Life in Jesus Christ is far from vanity.
 

SilverFox7

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The Uselessness of Selfish Toil
I like Bible Gateway's subtitle to this section of Ecclesiastes, and Solomon certainly has a lot to say on this topic:

Ecclesiastes 4:4-8

New King James Version

4 Again, I saw that for all toil and every skillful work a man is envied by his neighbor. This also is vanity and grasping for the wind.

5 The fool folds his hands
And consumes his own flesh.
6 Better a handful with quietness
Than both hands full, together with toil and grasping for the wind.

7 Then I returned, and I saw vanity under the sun:

8 There is one alone, without [a]companion:
He has neither son nor brother.
Yet there is no end to all his labors,
Nor is his eye satisfied with riches.
But he never asks,
“For whom do I toil and deprive myself of good?”
This also is vanity and a [b]grave misfortune.

The "fool" is lazy and can't even open up his hands to work and take in sustenance. "The lazy man buries his hand in the bowl; it wearies him to bring it back to his mouth" (Pro. 26:15). It's better to be quiet and grateful for the work we have that pays the bills and keeps food on the table. It's funny that Solomon, the personification of excess, is critical towards those who have "both hands full, together with toil and grasping for the wind." Who would know better than Solomon on the worthlessness of working hard for material gain and leaving God out of the picture?

Or, how about the workaholic described in verse 8 who is alone toiling for riches that he is never satisfied with? I had two family members who were millionaires, yet they were never content with living a comfortable life. They always had to have more and had dreams of ease in retirement. One wanted to spend all of his time out at the country club enjoying golf and fine dinners afterwards. The other was a genius engineer who wanted to tinker in his shop when he retired. Both became ill shortly after they retired and died at relatively young ages, and the kids fought over the estates.

Solomon asks a great question: "For whom do I toil and deprive myself of good?" He calls this "vanity and a grave misfortune." Why? We can't take our material "riches" to the grave with us. And in the instances I've witnessed, including Solomon's, those who have built up wealth in this life who do not have a relationship with God are left empty and miserable, especially about the ungrateful folks who are going to fight over their "inheritance" of the estate.

My focus is on striving to put Christ and His kingdom first (Matt 6:33). I'm grateful for the wonderful career I've had, and my family has lived a comfortable and happy life overall. There is nothing wrong with that - God wants us to prosper (III John v.2). But, it's becoming clearer to me later in my life that I need to spend more time on the work that lasts forever, working for the kingdom of God. And right now that means encouraging people to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior and develop a relationship with Him, proclaiming the gospel as Jesus admonishes:

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen" (Matt 28: 18-19).

This is work that yields lasting fruit, especially having Jesus with us laboring together to do the will of the Father!