Is the law a blessing or a curse?

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echoChrist

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Stop avoiding the question.

You break God's Laws daily via sin. You know it, I know it, and every Christian in the world knows it. You've got yourself cornered and looking for a way out.

You do realize that according to your belief that obedience to the Law is needed to remain saved, a single sin committed after salvation will damn you. Since Jesus is not coming back to shed more blood for sin.

Have you sinned since you've been saved?
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Just accept Christ he will change that stone heart of yours and give you a new mind.
Done with you. You've been reported, UltimatePrepper.

Thanks for showing your true, deceitful colors.
Don't worry I reported every posts of your false accusations against me.
 

soberxp

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In the Old Testament, Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil,Bring sin to our flesh body.If we eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we can be flawless.Then the words described in the Ten Commandments will not appear such as Thou shalt not commit adultery, nor steal, nor kill.The law prohibiting sin acts can not solve the problem of sin at all.For sin has been brought into our blood body through the fruit of good and evil knowledge.So the New Testament says that the Old Testament is flaw.Obey the ten commandments is act of law,work of law,This should be justified by behavior.
But it is actually justified by the act of believing in God.

The New Testament is different, The New Testament is used to fullfill the law,The New Testament describes better things.The use of repentant words in place of the Old Testament law describes the fetters of sin.Free our flesh from sin.And the whole law included in love others as yourself. just like computer programs,Fundamentally solve BUG forever.Believe that Jesus Christ is our Savior.believes in the law,work of faith, justification by faith.

The first heaven,The work of the law ( act ) thirtyfold.
The second heaven,The work of faith (believe) sixtyfold
The third heaven,The work of holy spirits (Spiritual) hundredfold

The second heaven is spiritual to the first heaven which is flesh.
The third heaven is spiritual to the second heaven which is flesh.

The flesh is flawed, Only spiritual without defect.

In the name of father, son and holy spirits, Amen.
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Lord, you blame them.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Remember the Sabbath day keep it holy that proves your a sinner wrong and Honorvyour mother and Father that proves your a sinner wrong again that proves you Love you should know this the teacher of the perfect love that you think you have abtained but your fruits say otherwise.
Failed my to obey every word proves you need a savior
yet I can obey them all and still not Love God. We know this because scripture says the gentiles who do not have the law.....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If you truly do have the Spirit you would follow those two commands that you say are only ones that exist.
Once again. You bear false witness

I never said they were the only two that exist. Your hurting your own case man and making yourself look bad in the process
 
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eternally-gratefull

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There's that perfect love again it shines right through you and blik doesn't follow law blik follows Christ and keeps his commandents.
I am just calling a person out

Blk does nit follow God he is trying to follow Moses
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I follow Christ and keep his commandments.
If you followed Christ you would be more worried about who to serve in love instead of trying to worry about the law
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes the summary and actions of the commands is to love I agree with you on that but by being obedient to all commandments doesn't make you a law pusher or under it, it makes you a God commandment keeper.
No. The summery and actions of the law is not love
love is the act of taking the live we receive from God and serving others and by practice you will not break commands
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I know perfectly well Christ's sacrifice condemned sin in the flesh.
I am talking about the law my friend
the law you insist is still to be followed
 
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eternally-gratefull

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[Oh really] (Romans 8:4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [There's that law again can't abolish it, it's spiritual, and here let me back up in case you don't understand] (Romans 7:25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. [There's that law again and look it even mentions a different one law of sin.] (Romans 6:16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? [Wow there's a verse you don't see everyday talking about obedience and I remind you this is new testament not old so you can't say this is not of new covenant this is life in the Spirit.]
Who is taking about disobedience? Certainly not so or anyone else here

pay attention man you can not even follow our conversation
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So you are "exposing" me without accusing me of being a sinner? As you accuse me you "do'n't accuse" me!! Name one thing that I have posted that is not scripture based.

You post Paul's arguments if you can make them against law, without giving Paul's conclusions about the law. Paul always concludes that the law is good and if we are in Christ we do not go against the law. Thank the Lord you are not against the law of love, but your aim to to divorce the law from love, something that is entirely false.

Then!! with all your accusing of others, you pretend to be so saintly you never accuse as you accuse others of accusing, not simply stating the truths of the Lord. Impossible situation!!!! I mostly ignore you, but sometimes you are too irritating and wrong to ignore.

If we were living in the time of the first churches, this could be handled by the elders of the church and they would correct you.
lol. Far to many time we have proven your slander against many people.
Own it man own it
 

Blik

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You sin every single day regardless. Sin is defined as a violation of the Law (1 John 3:4). God puts the final nail in the coffin when the Bible says if you break a single one of God's Laws, you have broken ALL of them (James 2:10).

If obedience to the Law is a requirement to stay saved, we are all (including you) going to hell.

We are righteous because it is imputed to us - not through obedience to the Law.
So many people get obedience all mixed up in their minds. Obedience doesn't earn us salvation, but when we are forgiven our sins we become like someone who is obedient. We can't stay in this righteous sinless state on our own, but through Christ that we accept as part of us, we can. If we prefer our sin, we don't like being sinless and part of Christ, then we can have that. It isn't what we do, it is what we strive to do. Christ said to be perfect, and it is only through Christ that we can attain that perfection.

It is impossible to be human and live without sin, but it is possible to want to live the righteous sinless life that God gives us. But we have to want that life. If we want the sin filled life, then we are given that life.
Do....you.....still....sin?
It is a matter of dividing the word so we know what the word tells us about our sin.

On one side is that we all sin, that the law in stone has changed to the law in our hearts so in certain ways the law changed, that no obedience to law can save us--only Christ can do that, that if we have faith in Christ and take our sins to Him for forgiveness then through His we are the same as those who do not sin.

Now what do we do as a righteous sinless person? Scripture tells us that to be forgiven we are to repent---in other words we are to want to not sin. That is where we are to divide the word, this applies. If we want our sin, prefer to live in sin, then the Lord grants us this. On this side of the division of the word, we are told to be perfect, even though we are also told we can't be perfect. We are only perfect through faith in Christ and taking our sins to Him for forgiveness. If we do not listen to this but deny this side of the division of the word, then we keep on wanting our sin. This side is not a popular side, but it is part of the word. So anyone who listens to this side of the word is subjected to such taunts as "Do you not sin?" It is not meant as a question, it is meant to taunt them about listening to the side of the word telling them to want to be free of sin.
 

Tararose

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WoW! I have never heard any other Christian saying that scripture is not scripture, but it is up to us to determine what is to be believed and what is not to be believed, based on that Paul sometimes wrote something that wasn't given him by the lord.

That would knock the words of the lord right out of the water.
It is all scripture, in the sense it a is true and right record of events and teachings, but that includes human sin and failings, and the correction of the Lord etc. So simply because it is written - does not mean it is what the Lord wants us to replicate. Examples of sins and wrong attitudes are rife in the bible, Sarah laughs in disbelief, Abram lies to save his own skin, and so on. These all contain the facts, in that sense they are "gospel" but are not necessarily all things to copy - as though every action were ordained of God - or take as examples or teachings to observe ourselves - as many things were spoken to specific people for a specific reason, and the is usually made clear in scripture. Such as the law being required UNTIL Christ came and so on.
 

Blik

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, and the is usually made clear in scripture. Such as the law being required UNTIL Christ came and so on.
Where do you find scripture telling us the law was required until Christ came along? I find that is only true if it is understood that Christ was from the beginning.

I find old testament scripture telling us that there is no forgiveness without blood, that grace comes from the Father and there was grace for people of the old testament, that Christ was from the beginning. The entire sacrificial system is about forgiveness given through the shadow of Christ. I do not find any scripture telling us that forgiveness depends of the law This was a truth of our eternal God. God is one and Christ is God.
 

Blik

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Galatians 3:19 through 3:24. Three such references are made in that passage.
This tells us it is only through Christ we have salvation, something repeated throughout the entire scriptures. The question is when did Christ come? When was grace given through faith? Did Moses or David live eternally through faith, for they were men and no man has lived without Christ.

Galatians 3:22 Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed.