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Dave-L

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pottersclay said:
God resist the proud but gives Grace to the humble. No man seeks after God. If my people shall humble themselves and seek my face then I shall hear them and heal there land.

How we approach God is the first step toward salvation......Jesus said not everyone that calls me Lord shall enter in.
Many people add God to there lives. This is not how God responds.
God in his loving mercy came to man first. As a voice in the garden, a voice in a burning bush, a voice that speaks to our conscience,
A voice that cries in the wilderness, then the voice that was made flesh and walked among us.
God's word is proven through the course of history to change the hearts of even the most harden people.
It always starts with God. By grace and not of ourselves. Little if anything did we ever know that we needed to be saved. That there was such a thing.
God in his loving mercy has created all things for his glory. Those that respond with humbleness from a contrite heart shall enter in.
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People rob God of his glory when they try to apply salvation to themselves. It's only when they cannot save themselves and he alone saves them that he receives the glory.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
People rob God of his glory when they try to apply salvation to themselves. It's only when they cannot save themselves and he alone saves them that he receives the glory.
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It’s when they realize this that SOME freely say yes to god and receive his gift while others still say no
Fatalism is in error
 
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John146

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Dave-L said:
People rob God of his glory when they try to apply salvation to themselves. It's only when they cannot save themselves and he alone saves them that he receives the glory.
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That’s exactly why I chose Christ out of my own free will. I realized I could not be saved other than through Jesus Christ. That’s not robbing God of any glory my friend, but just the opposite is true. Calvinists try to use sneaky tactics trying to make people feel guilty who don’t see it their way.
 
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John146 said:
That’s exactly why I chose Christ out of my own free will. I realized I could not be saved other than through Jesus Christ. That’s not robbing God of any glory my friend, but just the opposite is true. Calvinists try to use sneaky tactics trying to make people feel guilty who don’t see it their way.
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Scripture teaches we cannot see the true Christ unless first born again.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
Do you think we save ourselves?
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Nope
God saved us through his death on the cross
but he will not force us to take his gift. He wants us to ask in faith
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
Scripture teaches we cannot see the true Christ unless first born again.
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That’s backwards
we can not be born again until we are justified

God does not make us alive in sin
 
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John146 said:
Where? Explain please...
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“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 16:15–17 (KJV 1900)
 
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Dave-L said:
“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 16:15–17 (KJV 1900)
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And yet, Peter is not born again yet. The resurrection has not yet occurred. He does not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
So we save ourselves by asking?
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Nope. God saves us

It’s all his work

Me saying yes is not a work

but me saying no is catastrophic
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
That’s backwards
we can not be born again until we are justified

God does not make us alive in sin
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“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 16:15–17 (KJV 1900)
 
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John146 said:
And yet, Peter is not born again yet. The resurrection has not yet occurred. He does not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
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Abel was born again. Abraham too. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Dave-L said:
Abel was born again. Abraham too. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
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Scripture states they were born again? How does one get born again? Didn’t the Lord tell us in John 3?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Dave-L said:
But this assumes you don't need salvation if you can choose to do these things. Grace saves those who cannot believe in any true sense and are unable to discern spiritual truth. Giving them new hearts who believe and repent in Love for God.
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yup

backdoor Calvinism

if you say you cannot choose Christ, then you are agreeing with Calvinism. simple as that

yet, the gospel says 'whosoever will may come'

do you understand what the will is?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Dave-L said:
People rob God of his glory when they try to apply salvation to themselves. It's only when they cannot save themselves and he alone saves them that he receives the glory.
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and here we go

where has anyone said they save themselves?

nowhere. that's where

that is just you trying to confuse the issue

salvation comes by Christ and no other
 
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John146 said:
That’s exactly why I chose Christ out of my own free will. I realized I could not be saved other than through Jesus Christ. That’s not robbing God of any glory my friend, but just the opposite is true. Calvinists try to use sneaky tactics trying to make people feel guilty who don’t see it their way.
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this guy may say he is not Calvinist, but I see nothing to dispute that he actually is

the op is so convoluted as to seem to be one way while actually being another
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I guess I am just ok with God being able to operate in what we call a paradox. That what appears to conflicting in our small perspective is a simple matter to God.

Can he be a man on Earth and a father in heaven at the same time? Jesus.

Can he be an indwelling spirit inhabiting us individually and corporately, a son who sits at the hand of the father and the father also?

Can he be bread and wine and word and water?

So can we be predestined and called and have a will of our own?

It is apparently so.
 
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