Is personal prophecy scriptural?
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Are you JonathanBentley? My question was addressed to him. I ask because you have the same initials. In any case, what is the connection between Jesus giving a personal prophecy to Peter and the ongoing practice today? Is there teaching in the New Testament that justifies it?
"Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish." John 21:18
As for the Old Testament scriptures, yes, they did happen. But where's the connection to us? Where is the doctrine in the New Testament that clearly shows this practice is relevant for us today?
"Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish." John 21:18
As for the Old Testament scriptures, yes, they did happen. But where's the connection to us? Where is the doctrine in the New Testament that clearly shows this practice is relevant for us today?
Though The Gift of PROPHECY still exists today its function has changed. the complete cannon eliminated the office of PROPHET (foretelling) but became a gift of FORTHTELLING...which is ALWAYS WHEN USED CORRECTLY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SPECIFIC VERSES OF SCRIPTURE FITTING FOR ONES CIRCUMSTANCE..
THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!!
Clarence
THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!!
Clarence
Jacob spoke prophecy to each one of his sons,
Through the ages God saw fit to bestow the gift of prophecy on various individuals such as Enoch, Anna, and Simeon, to name a few. This excerpt shows God’s endowment of the gift of prophecy upon Jacob during the last days of his life.
Joseph brought Jacob before Pharaoh, and introduced his much honored father to the king. Jacob blessed Pharaoh for his kindness to his son Joseph. And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou? And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years; few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.
Jacob told the king his years had been few and evil. That is, he had seen much trouble, and suffered much perplexity, which had cut short his years. The life of Jacob had not been smooth and peaceful. The jealousy of his wives had brought a train of evils. Some of his children had grieved him, and made his life very bitter. But the last years of Jacob’s life were more peaceful. His sons had reformed.
Divine Revelations
As Jacob was about to die, his children gathered about him to receive his blessing, and to listen to his last words of advice to them. He forgave his children for all their unfilial conduct, and for their wicked treatment of Joseph, which had caused him many years of grief as he had reflected upon his supposed dreadful death.
As he spoke with his children for the last time, the Spirit of the Lord rested upon him, and he uttered prophecies concerning them which reached far in the future. While under the spirit of inspiration he laid open before them their past life, and their future history, revealing the purposes of God in regard to them. He showed them that God would by no means sanction cruelty, or wickedness.
He commenced with the eldest. Although Reuben had no hand in selling Joseph, yet previous to that transaction he had grievously sinned. His course was corrupt, for he had transgressed the law of God. Jacob uttered his prophecy in regard to him. Reuben, thou art my first-born, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power, unstable as water, thou shalt not excel.
A Painful Truth
He then prophesied in regard to Simeon and Levi, who practiced deception to the Shechemites, and then in a most cruel, revengeful manner destroyed them. They were also the ones who were the most guilty in the case of Joseph. Simeon and Levi are brethren, instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honor, be not thou united; for in their anger they slew a man, and in their self-will they digged down a wall. Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce, and their wrath, for it was cruel. I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
God by the spirit of prophecy elevated the mind of Jacob above his natural feelings.
Jacob thus uttered the words of inspiration to his sorrowing sons, presenting before them the light in which God viewed their deeds of violence, and that he would visit them for their sins. His prophetic words in regard to his other sons were not as gloomy.
Prophetic Waymarks
In regard to Judah, Jacob’s words of inspiration were more joyful. His prophetic eye looked hundreds of years in the future to the birth of Christ, and he said, “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come, and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Jacob predicted a cheerful future for most of his sons. Especially of Joseph he uttered words of eloquence of a happy character. Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well, whose branches run over the wall. The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him; but his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob. From thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel. The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors, unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills. They shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
Jacob was an affectionate father. The words he uttered to his children were not his, spoken because he had retained an unforgiving spirit on account of their wrongs. He had forgiven them. He had loved them to the last.
He mourned deeply at the loss of Joseph, and when Simeon was retained in Egypt, he manifested grief, and expressed his anxious wish that his children should return safely from Egypt with their brother Simeon. He had no resentful feeling toward his sorrowing children.
But God by the spirit of prophecy elevated the mind of Jacob above his natural feelings. In his last hours angels were all around him, and the power of the grace of God shone upon him. His paternal feelings would have led him to only utter in his dying testimony expressions of love and tenderness. But under the influence of inspiration he uttered truth, although painful.
Through the ages God saw fit to bestow the gift of prophecy on various individuals such as Enoch, Anna, and Simeon, to name a few. This excerpt shows God’s endowment of the gift of prophecy upon Jacob during the last days of his life.
Joseph brought Jacob before Pharaoh, and introduced his much honored father to the king. Jacob blessed Pharaoh for his kindness to his son Joseph. And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou? And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years; few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.
Jacob told the king his years had been few and evil. That is, he had seen much trouble, and suffered much perplexity, which had cut short his years. The life of Jacob had not been smooth and peaceful. The jealousy of his wives had brought a train of evils. Some of his children had grieved him, and made his life very bitter. But the last years of Jacob’s life were more peaceful. His sons had reformed.
Divine Revelations
As Jacob was about to die, his children gathered about him to receive his blessing, and to listen to his last words of advice to them. He forgave his children for all their unfilial conduct, and for their wicked treatment of Joseph, which had caused him many years of grief as he had reflected upon his supposed dreadful death.
As he spoke with his children for the last time, the Spirit of the Lord rested upon him, and he uttered prophecies concerning them which reached far in the future. While under the spirit of inspiration he laid open before them their past life, and their future history, revealing the purposes of God in regard to them. He showed them that God would by no means sanction cruelty, or wickedness.
He commenced with the eldest. Although Reuben had no hand in selling Joseph, yet previous to that transaction he had grievously sinned. His course was corrupt, for he had transgressed the law of God. Jacob uttered his prophecy in regard to him. Reuben, thou art my first-born, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power, unstable as water, thou shalt not excel.
A Painful Truth
He then prophesied in regard to Simeon and Levi, who practiced deception to the Shechemites, and then in a most cruel, revengeful manner destroyed them. They were also the ones who were the most guilty in the case of Joseph. Simeon and Levi are brethren, instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honor, be not thou united; for in their anger they slew a man, and in their self-will they digged down a wall. Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce, and their wrath, for it was cruel. I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
God by the spirit of prophecy elevated the mind of Jacob above his natural feelings.
Jacob thus uttered the words of inspiration to his sorrowing sons, presenting before them the light in which God viewed their deeds of violence, and that he would visit them for their sins. His prophetic words in regard to his other sons were not as gloomy.
Prophetic Waymarks
In regard to Judah, Jacob’s words of inspiration were more joyful. His prophetic eye looked hundreds of years in the future to the birth of Christ, and he said, “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come, and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Jacob predicted a cheerful future for most of his sons. Especially of Joseph he uttered words of eloquence of a happy character. Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well, whose branches run over the wall. The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him; but his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob. From thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel. The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors, unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills. They shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
Jacob was an affectionate father. The words he uttered to his children were not his, spoken because he had retained an unforgiving spirit on account of their wrongs. He had forgiven them. He had loved them to the last.
He mourned deeply at the loss of Joseph, and when Simeon was retained in Egypt, he manifested grief, and expressed his anxious wish that his children should return safely from Egypt with their brother Simeon. He had no resentful feeling toward his sorrowing children.
But God by the spirit of prophecy elevated the mind of Jacob above his natural feelings. In his last hours angels were all around him, and the power of the grace of God shone upon him. His paternal feelings would have led him to only utter in his dying testimony expressions of love and tenderness. But under the influence of inspiration he uttered truth, although painful.
in revalation it quotes in the last days the spirit of prophecy will be poured out on all even your sons and daughters who will prohesize in his name Jesus.
So look at the story of Jacob, they where his last days
And he spoke prophecy to each son individually.
Therefor it's safe to assume that the spirit of prophecy being poored out in the last day also refers to the last days of an indivual here and now.
So look at the story of Jacob, they where his last days
And he spoke prophecy to each son individually.
Therefor it's safe to assume that the spirit of prophecy being poored out in the last day also refers to the last days of an indivual here and now.
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Acts 2:17, In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people; your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
From reading the story of Jacob the spirit of prochecy rested upon him in his last days where he spoke Prophecy to each son individually
So I'm assuming that Acts 2:17 also refers to the last days of any individual then and now.
Because some of the prochecies Jacob spoke to his sons individually where personal
From reading the story of Jacob the spirit of prochecy rested upon him in his last days where he spoke Prophecy to each son individually
So I'm assuming that Acts 2:17 also refers to the last days of any individual then and now.
Because some of the prochecies Jacob spoke to his sons individually where personal
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Let me see if I understand you. Jacob made personal prophecies to his sons; the spirit of prophecy is still active today; therefore, personal prophecy is still a valid practice today. If that's what you mean, I understand your logic; but the Spirit of Lord did a lot of things in former days that no one would claim He has ever done in modern times. When was the last time He parted the Pacific Ocean? I guess I'm still looking for clear doctrine from the New Testament that teaches this practice as a normal thing for believers today.
Are you Seventh Day Adventist?
https://adventistreview.org/magazine-article/jacobs-gift-of-prophecy/
That is where I found the source of your post.
https://adventistreview.org/magazine-article/jacobs-gift-of-prophecy/
That is where I found the source of your post.
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Word for word your post matches what was on that page, which is
a Seventh Day Adventist site's article titled .Jacob’s Gift of Prophecy
Read more at: https://adventistreview.org/magazine-article/jacobs-gift-of-prophecy/
Are you saying you wrote that article? .
a Seventh Day Adventist site's article titled .Jacob’s Gift of Prophecy
Read more at: https://adventistreview.org/magazine-article/jacobs-gift-of-prophecy/
Are you saying you wrote that article? .
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