Who is the manchild in Rev 12? Are Rev 11 and Rev 12 chronological?
The "Male Child" as it should be translated is Jesus, we get a flashback of history in order to set up a CODE for whom the Woman is (Israel), Satan tried to kill baby Jesus, he was then taken to Heaven to sit at the right side of the Father as our High Priest. Rev. 4:1 tells us everything after that point is the HEREAFTER, or after the Church Age (Rev. 2 & 3) which was the
THINGS THAT ARE. So, we just get a CODE to tell us who will flee in the 70th week of troubles at the 1290 AoD, it will be Israel, Satan will chase her meaning he has been cast down, and thus all of this happens right around the middle of the 70th week. God wrote these codes to protect the Church from Rome, he knew they would not like hearing Israel were going to rule the world eventually after being sacked in 70 AD. He knew they did not want to hear that God was going to destroy the whole world, so he used Babylon, thus they laughed at these "crazy peoples beliefs" which they saw a loonies who thought God was going destroy a DEAD CITY !!
Both Rev. 11 and 12 are Parenthetic Citation Chapters. The KEY is the 1260, when I show you how chapters with 1260 days in them all have to start at the same time as Rev. 8 it will be easier to understand. It goes like this:
Rev. 1 is Jesus as seen in All his risen Glory by John, who also saw him on earth as the Messiah. Thus this chapter simply reveals Jesus' Majesty and glory, or the
things which you HAVE SEEN !!
Rev. 2 and 3 is the Church Age or the
THINGS WHICH ARE. Everything after this is the HEREAFTER, or after the Church Age, thus it will be the coming 70th week troubles of Jacob/Israel.
Rev. 4:1 is the Rapture and thus everything after this point is the
HEREAFTER. We can understand this by looking what those 24 elders in Rev. 4:4 have on, and where they are at. They have on Gold Crowns (Rev. 2:10) they have on White Raiment or Robes (Rev. 3:5) and sit amidst God's Throne (Rev. 3:21). And in those verses I cited, Jesus tells these Churches that as OVERCOMERS they will have on Crowns of Life (Rev. 2:10) and that as OVERCOMERS they will wear White Raiment (Rev. 3:5) and as OVERCOMERS they will indeed sit at God's Throne (Rev. 3:21). As per the 24 Elders, that is also a CODE. We can indeed see that in 1 Chronicles 24 that the 24 Orders of the Priesthood were named. Here in Rev. 4:4 we see the 24 Elders. In Rev. 1:6 and Rev. 5:9-10 we are told that we are Kings and Priests unto our God, see how God the Father ties it all in? But only in God Speak, you have to know the Old Testament to understand it !! How I finally got this was a Preacher who has since passed on said that out of 404 verses in the book of Revelation, 289 had ties to Old Testament verbiage. Its a GIANT CODE BOOK, and the Old Testament is where the codes can be found. Like Gen. 37:9 for the Rev. 12 Woman with the Sun, Moon and 12 stars.
Rev. 5 is an extension of Rev. 4 really, we see in Rev. 4 God is praised as Holy, but in Rev. 5 we see Holy is the Lamb/Worthy is the Lamb, to open the 7 Seals. Thus so far everything is still in Chronological Order.
Rev. 6, Jesus opens the 7 Seals BUT.......these are Prophesies, not actual Judgments, granted these prophesies will be fulfilled in mere weeks or days, but the Seal 6 Prophesy is EXACTLY the same Prophesy as Joel 2:31 go read them both, they only FORETELL of God's coming Wrath. A Sealed message could not be read until all the seals were off. Thus in Seals 1-5 Jesus is FORETELLING about a coming Anti-Christ who will 1.) Conquer for 42 months 2.) Bring wars for 42 months by taking away the Peace he promised. 3.) His rule, wars and dictates bring Famine over that same 42 month period. 4.) This tyrants rule will bring 42 months of Sickness, Death and the Grave (Hades). 5.) This Beast will Martyr all of the Gentiles who come to Christ during the 70th week, they will not be protected like the Jews.
Now, the 6th Seal Prophesy is Jesus announcing as he opens that Seal what God's soon to come Wrath will look like just like Joel 2:31 did, the Sun and Moon will be darkened and fire will hurt the earth. But why is Seal #7 over in Rev. 8 ? Because only when the 7th Seal is opened can the JUDGEMENTS BEGIN. That is why there is silence in heaven, when God destroyed the world by flood it saddened Him, He promised never to do that again, but He will judge the world this time via fire. Thus the Angels in heaven are not happy to see this Judgment, thus we get a SOBER SILENCE in Heaven. But I have skipped a chapter to tie it all in. Now think of a closet with 7 Locks on it. Lets say you have a bunch of gifts in the closet you got for your "50th birthday", you invited all of your friends over to see the wonderful gifts, but you had them in a closet which had 7 locks on it. As you took the first lock off you told of the Leather bible someone gave you. As you took the 2nd lock off you told of the nice 14 K plated gold Harmonica someone gave you. Lets skip to lock #6, as you took the 6th lock off you told your friends about a beautiful handmade quilt your mother had made for you. Now, let me as you a probing question, have any of your friends seen any of the gifts yet? No, of course not the 7th lock is still on the closet door !! Only when that 7th lock comes off can the door be opened. Likewise, only when the 7th seal is loosed or taken off can the Judgments begin. There are only 7 Judgments, not 21, the Seals PROPHESY what is about to befall mankind. Now lets back up to Rev. 7.
In Rev. 7 we see the 144,000 (ALL Israel who repents) or 3.5-5 million Jews fleeing Judea after seeing the 1290 AoD which is 30 days before the 1260 conquering of Israel and the MANY (which just means all the Mediterranean Sea Region Nations) by the Anti-Christ, which begins at the 1260 middle of the week, because he will not be allowed to go forth conquering until God's Wrath falls, thus both God's Wrath and the Beasts rule last for 1260 days, then Jesus returns. Thus when God says hurt not the Earth, Sea nor Trees until I have sealed the 144,000 (3.5-5 million Jews) come to know their Messiah. So, what hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees? Well, we see that in Rev. 8, the Trees burn, the Sea get hit by a huge asteroid, and thus the Earth will be largely destroyed, at least 1/3 of it will. Now think of North and South America which = 1/3 of all the Landmass on earth and the Pacific Ocean which likewise has 1/3 of all the waters on earth. The Asteroid Apophis will hit just off the California/Mexico coast, in the Ocean, on April 13, 2029. BANK IT.
Thus everything is still in Chronological Order, and as the Rev. 8 Asteroid hits (Apophis) we are still on a chronological order so to speak. Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath, thus the Anti-Christ is only now allowed to go forth conquering. Trumps 1, 2, 3 and 4 are all ONE EVENT, an Asteroid Impact. The fires comes in first, as scientists friends have told the guy who saw the vision of Apophis. Then comes the ASTEROID IMPACT (Trump #2) then comes the FALLOUT (this comes from me, not him,) which I see as Wormwood, the Sulfur fallout killed off the Dinos 70 million years ago it could be a sulfur fallout, or a nuclear type fallout from some metal we have never seen before, nonetheless, that which poisons the two Americas waters is Trump #3. Then in Trump #4 (look at it) we get the Joel 2:31 AND the 6th Seal Prophesies BOTH FULFILLED, the sun and moons light gets filtered out by all the smoke from burning the trees and houses etc. In Rev. 9:13 we are told the last three Trumps yet to sound are the coming Three Woes! So, Trumps 5, 6 and 7 are simply Woes 1, 2 and 3 with the last or 3rd Woe being ALL 7 Vials combined !!
Rev. 9, we are still in Chronological Order here. Woe #1 is Apollyon and his Demon hordes being released onto the earth. Woe #2 is a 200 Million Angelic Army who slays 1/3 of all men who have taken the Mark of the Beast. There Is no 200 million man army from China. Look at Rev. 9:20-21, it specifically says the rest of the men repented not of their sins via these PLAGUES............and Plagues are of God, Satan can not kill Satan, Jesus told us that. These are Angelic beings, not BOUND in the Euphrates River which is why sone think they have to be Demons, but instead reread it, they are BOUND to a Day, a Month and a Year or BOUND to an appointed time to slay 1/3 of those living in that area, remember, the two Americas will be wiped out by fire, God is thinning out His wicked foes here.
NOW the book of Revelation is no longer in Chronological Order, however there is an ORDER, we just have to understand it. I will skip to the real order or the chapters that come next.
Rev. 15&16 should be one chapter. Look at Rev. 8, it shows the Trumps being readied to blow in Rev. 8, AND it also shows the Trumps themselves, heck you could say Rev. 9 could be a part of Rev. 8, but it does start the Three Woes. But in Rev, 15 we see the Vials being readied to be poured out, then in Revelation 16 we see them poured out, thus as Rev. 8 has these events in Heaven combined with the actual Trumpet Judgments, I think Rev. 15 and 16 are also ONE CHAPTER. After all there really were no chapter and verses until the KJV placed them in there.
Thus Rev. 16:19 is Jesus returning to defeat his enemies, this ENDS the book of Revelations Chronological Order as per the 70th week, Rev. 20, 21 and 22 are after the 70th week. Now we get to go back and see why Rev. 10, 11, 12, 13 14, 17, 18 and 19 are all Parenthetical Citation chapters where we see things that go on at the same time as the Judgment Chapters of Rev. 8, 9 and 16.
