Is God Good?

[notuptome]

But Jesus took our punishment in our place if you are a believer in any true sense.

Is the punishment for sin limited to physical death? Scripture declares that the soul that sinneth it shall surely die. Is that not a spiritual death?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dave-L]

Is the punishment for sin limited to physical death? Scripture declares that the soul that sinneth it shall surely die. Is that not a spiritual death?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Jesus paid the equivalent price to redeem the elect from an eternity in hell. I believe he is more valuable than all of us put together. Anyway, the Father was satisfied with his suffering and death or he would not have raised him from the dead.

 

[Dave-L]

That's not Scripture. The word elect, in Scripture, is always a reference to one God has called to serve. There are elect angels, Israel the elect nation in the OT, elect witnesses in the tribulation, God's elect Son, etc...it is never a reference to someone being elected for salvation.

“Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,” Romans 9:20–23 (KJV 1900)

 

[John146]

“Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,” Romans 9:20–23 (KJV 1900)

This passage is not about salvation, rather God showing His power.

 

[Dave-L]

This passage is not about salvation, rather God showing His power.

It ends with Esau and the Edomites being cut off and destroyed. = Not saved. And Jacob's family, Israel where salvation takes place.

 

[notuptome]

Jesus paid the equivalent price to redeem the elect from an eternity in hell. I believe he is more valuable than all of us put together. Anyway, the Father was satisfied with his suffering and death or he would not have raised him from the dead.

Well you cannot swim in the deep water. Jesus did not sin so death could not touch Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dave-L]

Well you cannot swim in the deep water. Jesus did not sin so death could not touch Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The reason God saves the elect is that Jesus was sinless. His death made it possible for God to apply it to sinners whom he chose to save.

 

[John146]

It ends with Esau and the Edomites being cut off and destroyed. = Not saved. And Jacob's family, Israel where salvation takes place.

First of all, Jacob’s family line was chosen to bring forth the promise seed, not salvation. Second, where in Romans 9 does it say that Esau was cut off? The end actually says that Israel, Jacob’s line, did not obtain righteousness because they sought it not by faith, but as the works of the law and not through Jesus.

 

[John146]

The reason God saves the elect is that Jesus was sinless. His death made it possible for God to apply it to sinners whom he chose to save.

Did Jesus need salvation? He was God’s elect. Did the elect angels need salvation? They are elect. You see, tying the word elect to salvation is false. The word elect is always tied to service, never salvation.

 

[Dave-L]

Did Jesus need salvation? He was God’s elect. Did the elect angels need salvation? They are elect. You see, tying the word elect to salvation is false. The word elect is always tied to service, never salvation.

So you cannot wear a dental appliance bridge? And still, drive your car over a bridge? The bridge is not there?

 

[Dave-L]

First of all, Jacob’s family line was chosen to bring forth the promise seed, not salvation. Second, where in Romans 9 does it say that Esau was cut off? The end actually says that Israel, Jacob’s line, did not obtain righteousness because they sought it not by faith, but as the works of the law and not through Jesus.

“Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.” John 4:22 (KJV 1900)

 

[John146]

So you cannot wear a dental appliance bridge? And still, drive your car over a bridge? The bridge is not there?

What????

 

[John146]

“Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.” John 4:22 (KJV 1900)

Yes, salvation was of the Jews first, but they rejected it, so God offered salvation to the Gentile world.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes, salvation was of the Jews first, but they rejected it, so God offered salvation to the Gentile world.

Which means all gentiles, including Esau and the Edomites, were lost. They weren't included in Christ's atonement.

 

[Dave-L]

What????

You are limiting the word "elect" to one definition when it has several.

 

[John146]

Which means all gentiles, including Esau and the Edomites, were lost. They weren't included in Christ's atonement.

Israel rejected it. The Gentiles would receive it.

Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

 

[John146]

You are limiting the word "elect" to one definition when it has several.

Nope, it’s definition carries through all the Bible. But of Course you must think this so it fits your man made theology.

 

[Dave-L]

Nope, it’s definition carries through all the Bible. But of Course you must think this so it fits your man made theology.

Do you vote?

 

[John146]

Do you vote?

Yep???

 

[Dave-L]

Israel rejected it. The Gentiles would receive it.

Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Isreal received Christ. The unbelievers God removed making them gentiles.