Is God Good?

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Dave-L

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cv5 said:
According to Peter (and God), wicked men killed Jesus.
God, for His part, raised Jesus from the dead and glorified Him, and is now having his prophet Peter continue the work of redeeming the very Israelites who committed the murder.

Acts 3

And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering. And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? The God of Abraham, anwhom d of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to lethim go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
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“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:” Acts 2:23 (KJV 1900)
 
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Hungry said:
I have read what the Bible says and prayed and meditated while fasting for wisdom and clarity. I have desired only for His instruction and counsel. He has rewarded my diligence by opening my eyes and transforming my mind. My thoughts are not original. They are guided to what was originally given before man added confusion to them.
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But you don't agree with historic Christianity?
 
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kaylagrl said:
Read the post before you answer. You're throwing out random verses. He said He laid down His life, if He was murdered by the Father that's not willingly laying down His life.
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You rob God of his glory giving it to Satan if you think the Father didn't kill him in his mercy for the sins of the elect. You make the devil the savior.
 
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The King James 1611 version is superior in my opinion. And fortunately for me I know that there are errors, and where the errors are located.
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Superior and yet corrupt with errors. Yes, this is what God intended for His word.🤦‍♂️
 
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Dave-L said:
So, Jesus, had wicked people kill him.
“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:” Acts 2:23 (KJV 1900)
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"YE HAVE TAKEN, AND BY WICKED HANDS"

The Trinity foreknew and agreed to allow this to happen. Jesus was murdered by fallen wicked MEN and simply did not defend himself, and was led like a sheep to the slaughter.

So you are saying that God is wicked and a murder?
 
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John146 said:
Superior and yet corrupt with errors. Yes, this is what God intended for His word.🤦‍♂️
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Your problem not mine buddy.
 
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cv5 said:
"YE HAVE TAKEN, AND BY WICKED HANDS"

The Trinity foreknew and agreed to allow this to happen. Jesus was murdered by fallen wicked MEN and simply did not defend himself, and was led like a sheep to the slaughter.

So you are saying that God is wicked and a murder?
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Allow? So wicked people are the savior for killing Jesus which is necessary for salvation. Is Satan really the savior in this?
 
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John146 said:
I don’t need to watch the video to hear all the false claims, been there done that. I’ve been defending the KJV for many years. There’s nothing new to the argument.
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I'm not trying to say a thing about the KJV, nor enter this debate at all. I do want to point out a fallacy I see WAY too much here on CC, when people say this- "I've been studying/defending/debating/researching for years," as if this is any kind of authority at all. Please don't get me wrong I am no suggesting it means you're not right about the subject you're speaking of, but appealing to the amount of time studied is irrelevant honestly. I can study the Pre-Trib Rature for 30 years, know it inside and out, backward and forward, better than any man on the planet, but this has no bearing what so ever on how true it is in reality. You can study and believe a lie just as long and hard as the truth, but it doesn't make it true. Please understand that all I'm talking about here is the appeal the amount of study/time/research... as some kind of authority. It just doesn't work because you can know a WHOLE LOT about a falsehood. Look at evolution. Anyway just wanted to make that point, I hope I wasn't too offensive.
 
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Dave-L said:
No Ten Commandments before Sinai

““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

So, the golden rule condemns everyone. But the TCs broke it down giving examples of violating the Golden Rule.

Jesus gave examples of what it takes to keep it in the Sermon on the Mount.
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Are you agreeing or disagreeing? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
 
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Dave-L said:
Allow? So wicked people are the savior for killing Jesus which is necessary for salvation. Is Satan really the savior in this?
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God in his sovereign will allows sin to happen. Scripture is exceedingly clear on this matter. And God as sovereign has mercy on whom he wills.

This is in no way impugns the Holiness or Righteousness of God.
 
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Jimbone said:
I'm not trying to say a thing about the KJV, nor enter this debate at all. I do want to point out a fallacy I see WAY too much here on CC, when people say this- "I've been studying/defending/debating/researching for years," as if this is any kind of authority at all. Please don't get me wrong I am no suggesting it means you're not right about the subject you're speaking of, but appealing to the amount of time studied is irrelevant honestly. I can study the Pre-Trib Rature for 30 years, know it inside and out, backward and forward, better than any man on the planet, but this has no bearing what so ever on how true it is in reality. You can study and believe a lie just as long and hard as the truth, but it doesn't make it true. Please understand that all I'm talking about here is the appeal the amount of study/time/research... as some kind of authority. It just doesn't work because you can know a WHOLE LOT about a falsehood. Look at evolution. Anyway just wanted to make that point, I hope I wasn't too offensive.
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Yes agreed, I was pointing out that since I have studied this topic for years, I’ve read and heard about all the arguments against. In no way am I saying I’m right because of my studies. And I’m certainly not an authority.
 
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John146 said:
Btw, I have no problem. I believe every word.
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As do I. The ones that I have scrupulously determined to be most accurate.
 
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Dave-L said:
I accept solid scripture rebuttal. Insults only reveal a lack of having anything.
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You mean solid scripture that is interpreted like you see it, without adding any thought or explanation longer than three sentences. Observations that are relevant that may seem insulting is not lack of proof. You are just here to argue.
 
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Hungry said:
You mean solid scripture that is interpreted like you see it, without adding any thought or explanation longer than three sentences. Observations that are relevant that may seem insulting is not lack of proof. You are just here to argue.
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I don't take stock in anyone who disagrees with the Creeds.
 
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Dave-L said:
I don't take stock in anyone who disagrees with the Creeds.
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The Pharisees of Jesus day put their faith in the doctrines of men (Rabbinical commentators) as well.
 
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cv5 said:
God in his sovereign will allows sin to happen. Scripture is exceedingly clear on this matter. And God as sovereign has mercy on whom he wills.

This is in no way impugns the Holiness or Righteousness of God.
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If God ordained all, how does he allow anything?
 
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